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Fiche the whole class then
Posted by 'lard ass bob' on 18 Feb 2014 @ 17:53

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For me the positives far out-weight the monopoly issue and another successful race meeting passes last weekend and none of the drivers have been on here decrying the engines!

I am not keen on the seals but how else can you control what is "maintenance" and what is "optimising"? And the t2 motor does not have the same head maintenance requirement of its predecessor according to my leakage tester (and confirmed by others) so that argument fails as well.

You don't have to go back that far and Honda cadet was as good as dead and why was that? Single supplier and sealed motors. So what is the difference here? Well the cadet sealing agent couldn't tune a radio and it was a complete lottery as to whether you got a good motor or not. The Extreme version of the 200 are as equal as RPM can produce - no lottery! You pay your Ł400 and you get the same as the next guy. So we pay a small premium over a box unit for near equality.

So what has been the MSA's response over the past few years to allay the fears and concerns of the Honda class with regard to ever increasing uplift in performance from a GX160? Next to nothing! Kelvin' bless him, has introduced one item that equlaises just one area. A step in the right direction, indeed but will this in isolation close the gap between a standard engine and a clubman? sadly no. The popularity of Honda Cadet should surely be such that a proper fiche be prepared and over-night this would satisfy the vast majority of issues and still allow both tuners and DYIers to do their stuff and be measured against something that is black and white. This isn't new and has probably been suggested since I started racing (and probably before) but I can't see it happening anytime soon. Had this been addressed before, however, do I think there would be the same level of support for the Extreme? Probably not.

Prokarting has been ignored for years and the cost of engines (driven by simple supply and demand) has put loads off. Cadet and Honda Senior are no longer budget classes under the 160 regulations unless you are happy to drive off the pace and prokarting is as good as dead in all but a few pockets anything that can potentially attract new drivers has to be good and if that brings a few casualties then that is the cost but doing nothing isn't an option.

So RPM have come up with a proposal - not perfect - but a proposal that so far has been well received by those that have experienced the product. Great article by Martin Capenhurst who was at the first meeting at PF whom I spoke to and was enthusiastic. Similarly, Rob Nurse from 7Kart was there and being supportive and it took H at Lucas Racing a little while to get his head around it but got there in the end and both of them stand to gain if the class grows as a result of this or suffer if it doesn't. And finally EPEC (considered by most to be the premier Prokart championship in the UK) were quick to adopt a class as Mr Prokart himself, Bob Pope saw this as a return to what prokarting is all about.

As I have said before if it works and the class grows who will be complaining (probably the same people that are complaining today)but if it doesn't then we can still applaud RPM for trying something at their own commercial expense. It still won't stop anyone from racing their existing 160 motors I wouldn't think.

Just out of curiosity what was the prokart perception of the move from over-bored motors to standard bore back in 1999/2000ish?

Graeme

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Pro extreme by 'LeeB' (17 Feb 2014 @ 22:10)

Re: Pro extreme by 'ADZ' (17 Feb 2014 @ 22:43)

Re: Pro extreme - lee by 'BrianP' (18 Feb 2014 @ 6:29)

Re: Pro extreme - lee by 'LeeB' (18 Feb 2014 @ 7:07)

Re: Pro extreme - lee by 'BrianP' (18 Feb 2014 @ 7:41)

Re: Pro extreme by 'LeeB' (18 Feb 2014 @ 7:57)

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Re: Pro extreme by 'BrianP' (18 Feb 2014 @ 8:15)

Re: Pro extreme by 'henry12345' (18 Feb 2014 @ 8:52)

gullible eh BrianP? by 'CamberLeigh' (18 Feb 2014 @ 9:44)

Re: gullible eh BrianP? by 'BrianP' (18 Feb 2014 @ 10:00)

Re: gullible eh BrianP? by 'CamberLeigh' (18 Feb 2014 @ 10:21)

Re: gullible eh BrianP? by 'BrianP' (18 Feb 2014 @ 10:29)

Re: Pro Extreme further points for Clarification by 'CamberLeigh' (18 Feb 2014 @ 11:13)

Re: Pro Extreme further points for Clarification by 'BrianP' (18 Feb 2014 @ 11:21)

Re: Pro Extreme further points for Clarification by 'CamberLeigh' (18 Feb 2014 @ 12:25)

Re: Pro Extreme further points for Clarification by 'BrianP' (18 Feb 2014 @ 13:06)

Re: Pro Extreme further points for Clarification by 'BrianP' (18 Feb 2014 @ 13:18)

Re: Pro Extreme further points for Clarification by 'CamberLeigh' (18 Feb 2014 @ 13:25)

Re: Pro Extreme further points for Clarification by 'milky' (18 Feb 2014 @ 14:41)

Re: Pro Extreme further points for Clarification by 'BrianP' (18 Feb 2014 @ 14:54)

Re: Camber & milky spot on by 'DaveS' (18 Feb 2014 @ 15:00)

Re: Camber & milky spot on by 'gaz47' (18 Feb 2014 @ 16:08)

Re: Camber & milky spot on by 'Sully' (18 Feb 2014 @ 17:25)

Re: Camber & milky spot on by 'DaveS' (18 Feb 2014 @ 17:33)

Re: Camber & milky spot on by 'gaz47' (18 Feb 2014 @ 17:56)

Accredited Sealers by 'lard ass bob' (18 Feb 2014 @ 18:11)

Re: Accredited Sealers by 'Gregor' (18 Feb 2014 @ 22:19)

Fiche the whole class then by 'lard ass bob' << You are here!

Re: Fiche the whole class then by 'gaz47' (18 Feb 2014 @ 18:45)

Re: Fiche the whole class then by 'DaveS' (18 Feb 2014 @ 18:48)

Re: Fiche the whole class then by 'lard ass bob' (18 Feb 2014 @ 19:36)

Re: Fiche the whole class then by 'DaveS' (18 Feb 2014 @ 19:59)

Re: Fiche the whole class then by 'gk43' (18 Feb 2014 @ 21:24)

Re: Fiche the whole class then by 'lard ass bob' (18 Feb 2014 @ 22:10)

Re: Fiche the whole class then by 'ADZ' (18 Feb 2014 @ 23:53)

ADZ by 'CamberLeigh' (19 Feb 2014 @ 10:33)

Re: Fiche the whole class then by 'GrantMBM' (20 Feb 2014 @ 7:25)

Re: Fiche the whole class then by 'Jimbob40' (20 Feb 2014 @ 8:10)

Re: Fiche the whole class then by 'TomB' (20 Feb 2014 @ 19:22)

Re: Fiche the whole class then by 'Jimbob40' (20 Feb 2014 @ 20:58)

Camber Leigh by 'ADZ' (21 Feb 2014 @ 22:01)

Re: Camber Leigh by 'milky' (22 Feb 2014 @ 16:59)

Re: Camber Leigh by 'lard ass bob' (22 Feb 2014 @ 19:02)

Re: Camber Leigh by 'GrantMBM' (23 Feb 2014 @ 9:34)

Re: Pro extreme by 'kartingsteve' (19 Feb 2014 @ 20:41)

Re: Pro extreme by 'RoadRat' (22 Feb 2014 @ 21:55)

Re: Pro extreme by 'kartingsteve' (23 Feb 2014 @ 10:40)

Re: Pro extreme by 'castree' (23 Feb 2014 @ 20:18)

Re: Pro extreme by 'Joemonk1987' (23 Feb 2014 @ 21:03)

Control engines by 'RoadRat' (24 Feb 2014 @ 18:57)

Re: Control engines by 'ADZ' (24 Feb 2014 @ 20:08)

Re: Pro extreme by 'MickyB' (25 Feb 2014 @ 11:25)

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