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Posted by 'davidmc' on 18 Jul 2010 @ 22:26

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"So in our so called tolerant society, we are expected to respect the belief that woman must dress differently to men (i.e. are not equal) surely that is against the very nature of our principles."

You certainly don't have to respect the belief itself, only the fact that people should be allowed to hold those beliefs free from persecution. The French law is a law borne out of fear.

"What percentage of the woman in that society to you think would prefer to dress 'normally' but are forced to cover themselves like this by the male members of their family."

And banning the Burka is going to help how? The issue isn't that they're forced to dress a certain way, it's the fact they're simply not seen as equal. This situation can only be changed by having an educated female Muslim population.

"This is not about individual freedom, it's about us rolling over and accepting another cultures intolerence towards women. One of the next steps down this road is refusing women the right to education. Where would you draw the line?"

See above. You don't have to accept their intolerance. However, you cannot claim to stand for equal rights and freedom of expression when you ban an item of clothing that some choose to wear. You have to afford them the same rights and responsibilities as everyone else. Key to this is education.

"How can it possibly be acceptable for those who want to become British resident, when these very same rights have been hard won by generations of British woman."

Banning the Burka is the equivalent of banning the pinny. It does nothing for the equal rights of anybody, let alone women. Look at the history of the UK education system and the equal rights of women. You'll see a close generational correlation between widespread education and the gradual empowerment of women.

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