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Re:Enforce the things that matter
Posted by 'JohnClucas' on 05 Apr 2009 @ 21:28

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Tangler - your memory is very short. Long ago I started the debate saying I thought that speed cameras had a part to play in road safety at PARTICULARLY high risk spots. Unfortunately, they (like speed humps, pinch points, mini roundabouts, 20 limits and much else in their day) have become seen as a universal panacea for all ills - almost a fashion assessory in some villages.

Unfortunately, though all of them may have their uses, they are very limited and need to be applied to address a very specific need.

My own village is a case in point. Ł175000 points (Ł1000 for every man woman and child) was spent on pinch points which
a) Weren't necessary
b) Don't actually work (they cause people to carry on at undiminished speed on the wrong side of the road).
c) One was moved at a cost of Ł8000 to a place where it CAUSES accidents - and the village can't AFFORD to move it again to somewhere it will be safe, because the highways authority won't do it again

Is it really all right to waste public money - yours (it wasn't villagers money) in that way?

That is what Dan and I are about. We want a BALANCED approach to road safety. To spend money on things that work, not things that satisfy someones fixation.

Now answer the simple question which I keep posing... DO YOU BELIEVE that in 87% of fatal accidents and 5% of all accidents NO-ONE was speeding? Then tell me what percentage of the population are speeding at any given instant.

I keep asking but it's seems to me to a question that neither you nor itpro, nor vic are prepared to answer - preferring to suggest we are guilty of something akin to incest. Intellectual dishonesty? I suspect so.

Let me put it to you another way. Is it more reprehensible to ignore 13% of accidents (which I don't, and can actually prove) or to ignore 87% - which itpro gleefully claims he is leaving to others? And you seem to claim are too difficult to address.

Don't you think you should get off your high horse?

Message Thread:

Re: Continued from SAFE SPEED thread. by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (01 Apr 2009 @ 9:04)

Re: Continued from SAFE SPEED thread. by 'davidmc' (01 Apr 2009 @ 10:14)

David by 'itpro' (01 Apr 2009 @ 11:37)

Re: David by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (01 Apr 2009 @ 12:56)

Re: Continued from SAFE SPEED thread. by 'itpro' (01 Apr 2009 @ 11:32)

Re: Continued from SAFE SPEED thread. by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (01 Apr 2009 @ 13:06)

This stuff is NOT complex! by 'itpro' (01 Apr 2009 @ 15:54)

Re: Still avoiding the simple question itpro/tangl by 'JohnClucas' (01 Apr 2009 @ 17:11)

Re: Still avoiding the simple question itpro/tangl by 'PaulMRotax' (01 Apr 2009 @ 17:31)

Paul by 'itpro' (01 Apr 2009 @ 19:52)

Re: Paul by 'PaulMRotax' (02 Apr 2009 @ 8:19)

Re: Paul by 'itpro' (02 Apr 2009 @ 10:15)

Re: Paul by 'PaulMRotax' (02 Apr 2009 @ 10:22)

Re: Paul by 'itpro' (02 Apr 2009 @ 11:23)

Re: Paul by 'PaulMRotax' (02 Apr 2009 @ 12:33)

Re: Still avoiding the simple question itpro/tangl by 'JohnClucas' (01 Apr 2009 @ 17:41)

-John: still avoid the simple question itpro/tangl by 'TanglerTKM' (01 Apr 2009 @ 17:47)

Re: -John: still avoid the simple question itpro/t by 'JohnClucas' (01 Apr 2009 @ 19:35)

Re: -John: still avoid the simple question itpro/t by 'itpro' (01 Apr 2009 @ 19:54)

Re: -John: still avoid the simple question itpro/t by 'JohnClucas' (01 Apr 2009 @ 19:59)

Re: -John: still avoid the simple question itpro/t by 'TanglerTKM' (01 Apr 2009 @ 22:45)

Re: That just sums it up Tangler!!!! by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (02 Apr 2009 @ 7:56)

Re: That just sums it up Tangler!!!! by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (02 Apr 2009 @ 8:24)

Dan....... by 'itpro' (02 Apr 2009 @ 11:17)

Re: Dan....... by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (02 Apr 2009 @ 11:36)

Re: Dan....... by 'itpro' (02 Apr 2009 @ 15:07)

Try thinking about it Dan by 'TanglerTKM' (02 Apr 2009 @ 18:58)

Re: ARE YOU thinking about it Tangler? by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (02 Apr 2009 @ 19:24)

Re: ARE YOU thinking about it Tangler? by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (02 Apr 2009 @ 19:26)

Re: ARE YOU thinking about it Tangler? by 'itpro' (02 Apr 2009 @ 19:39)

Re: ARE YOU thinking about it Tangler? by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (02 Apr 2009 @ 19:51)

Re: ARE YOU thinking about it Tangler? by 'itpro' (02 Apr 2009 @ 20:07)

*sigh* by 'TanglerTKM' (02 Apr 2009 @ 20:08)

Re: Excuse me Tangler by 'JohnClucas' (02 Apr 2009 @ 19:26)

Re: Excuse me Tangler by 'itpro' (02 Apr 2009 @ 20:16)

Re: Typical ipro - no interest in facts or context by 'JohnClucas' (02 Apr 2009 @ 22:29)

Re: Dan....... by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (02 Apr 2009 @ 19:38)

Re: Dan....... by 'PaulMRotax' (02 Apr 2009 @ 12:38)

Re: Dan....... by 'itpro' (02 Apr 2009 @ 15:09)

Re: Dan....... by 'PaulMRotax' (02 Apr 2009 @ 19:53)

Re: Dan....... by 'itpro' (02 Apr 2009 @ 20:09)

Re: Dan....... by 'PaulMRotax' (02 Apr 2009 @ 23:35)

I'll answer YOUR question the first time YOU.... by 'itpro' (01 Apr 2009 @ 19:50)

Re: I'll answer YOUR question the first time YOU.. by 'JohnClucas' (01 Apr 2009 @ 20:06)

Re: I'll answer YOUR question the first time YOU.. by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (01 Apr 2009 @ 20:35)

where are we with this? by 'TanglerTKM' (01 Apr 2009 @ 23:08)

Re: where are we with this? by 'Booney' (01 Apr 2009 @ 23:29)

Re: where are we with this? by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (02 Apr 2009 @ 7:40)

Ok...getting somewhere! Booney & Dan by 'TanglerTKM' (02 Apr 2009 @ 19:17)

Re: Now that is real progress Tangler!!!! by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (02 Apr 2009 @ 19:47)

Re: Now that is real progress Tangler!!!! by 'TanglerTKM' (02 Apr 2009 @ 20:13)

Re: Now that is real progress Tangler!!!! by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (02 Apr 2009 @ 20:36)

Re: Now that is real progress Tangler!!!! by 'TanglerTKM' (02 Apr 2009 @ 20:57)

Re: Tangler by 'JohnClucas' (02 Apr 2009 @ 8:15)

Re: Tangler by 'itpro' (02 Apr 2009 @ 11:26)

John by 'TanglerTKM' (02 Apr 2009 @ 18:44)

Re: Tangler - well actually YES someone did die by 'JohnClucas' (02 Apr 2009 @ 19:41)

Re: Tangler - well actually YES someone did die by 'TanglerTKM' (02 Apr 2009 @ 20:21)

For goodness sake Tangler by 'JohnClucas' (02 Apr 2009 @ 22:33)

John by 'TanglerTKM' (02 Apr 2009 @ 23:38)

Re: I'll answer YOUR question the first time YOU.. by 'itpro' (02 Apr 2009 @ 11:10)

Re: I'll answer YOUR question the first time YOU.. by 'JohnClucas' (02 Apr 2009 @ 11:50)

Re: I'll answer YOUR question the first time YOU.. by 'itpro' (02 Apr 2009 @ 15:08)

Re: I'll answer YOUR question the first time YOU.. by 'JohnClucas' (02 Apr 2009 @ 19:12)

Re: I'll answer YOUR question the first time YOU.. by 'itpro' (02 Apr 2009 @ 20:30)

Re: Sorry I should have said.. by 'JohnClucas' (02 Apr 2009 @ 19:15)

Re: Sorry I should have said.. by 'itpro' (02 Apr 2009 @ 19:53)

Re: So answer the question by 'JohnClucas' (02 Apr 2009 @ 19:59)

Re: So answer the question by 'itpro' (02 Apr 2009 @ 20:13)

Gentlemen....I suggest you look here...... by 'QuickOldTimer' (02 Apr 2009 @ 21:08)

Re: Gentlemen....I suggest you look here...... by 'TanglerTKM' (02 Apr 2009 @ 21:37)

Re: Do be scientific by 'JohnClucas' (02 Apr 2009 @ 21:59)

Re: Do be scientific...get it right... by 'QuickOldTimer' (02 Apr 2009 @ 22:04)

Re: Do be scientific...get it right... by 'JohnClucas' (02 Apr 2009 @ 22:15)

john.....ahem by 'TanglerTKM' (02 Apr 2009 @ 23:47)

Re: er Tangler no by 'JohnClucas' (03 Apr 2009 @ 12:08)

John....you're arguing against yourself now! by 'TanglerTKM' (03 Apr 2009 @ 12:27)

Re: no I'm not!!! by 'JohnClucas' (03 Apr 2009 @ 12:51)

Re: no I'm not!!! by 'TanglerTKM' (03 Apr 2009 @ 16:00)

Re: Try logic tangler by 'JohnClucas' (03 Apr 2009 @ 17:32)

and i thought it was blue..... by 'Avago' (03 Apr 2009 @ 12:43)

Re: This stuff is NOT complex! by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (01 Apr 2009 @ 20:49)

Re: This stuff is NOT complex! by 'itpro' (02 Apr 2009 @ 11:00)

Re: This stuff is NOT complex! by 'PaulMRotax' (02 Apr 2009 @ 12:39)

I really can't understand..... by 'vic' (02 Apr 2009 @ 13:01)

Re: Unfortunately vic by 'JohnClucas' (02 Apr 2009 @ 17:01)

John will do his BEST to avoid this BUT..... by 'itpro' (02 Apr 2009 @ 19:28)

Re: No he won't, put up or shut up by 'JohnClucas' (02 Apr 2009 @ 19:47)

Re: No he won't, put up or shut up by 'itpro' (02 Apr 2009 @ 20:10)

One for the mix by 'Booney' (02 Apr 2009 @ 23:24)

Re: One for the mix by 'TanglerTKM' (02 Apr 2009 @ 23:55)

Re: One for the mix by 'PaulMRotax' (03 Apr 2009 @ 7:59)

Re: One for the mix by 'TanglerTKM' (03 Apr 2009 @ 8:59)

Re: One for the mix by 'PaulMRotax' (03 Apr 2009 @ 11:17)

Re: One for the mix by 'TanglerTKM' (03 Apr 2009 @ 16:10)

Re: One for the mix by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (03 Apr 2009 @ 20:00)

Accidents are NOT accidents because.... by 'Avago' (03 Apr 2009 @ 12:56)

Re: Accidents are NOT accidents because.... by 'Booney' (03 Apr 2009 @ 17:33)

Re: Accidents are NOT accidents because.... by 'PaulMRotax' (04 Apr 2009 @ 14:02)

Re: Unfortunately vic.... by 'vic' (03 Apr 2009 @ 12:51)

Re: Unfortunately vic.... by 'JohnClucas' (03 Apr 2009 @ 14:36)

Re: Unfortunately vic.... by 'vic' (03 Apr 2009 @ 19:37)

Re: Unfortunately vic.... by 'JohnClucas' (03 Apr 2009 @ 20:12)

Re: Telepathy or what! by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (03 Apr 2009 @ 20:26)

Re: Unfortunately vic.... by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (03 Apr 2009 @ 20:21)

Dan & John by 'TanglerTKM' (03 Apr 2009 @ 20:56)

Re: And the conclusion... by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (03 Apr 2009 @ 21:29)

The reason speed is made an issue by 'TanglerTKM' (03 Apr 2009 @ 21:58)

Re: The reason speed is made an issue by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (03 Apr 2009 @ 22:10)

Re: The reason speed is made an issue by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (03 Apr 2009 @ 22:20)

Re: The reason speed is made an issue by 'TanglerTKM' (03 Apr 2009 @ 22:26)

Re: The reason speed is made an issue by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (03 Apr 2009 @ 22:44)

Re: The reason speed is made an issue by 'TanglerTKM' (03 Apr 2009 @ 22:22)

Re: The reason speed is made an issue by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (03 Apr 2009 @ 22:47)

Re: The reason speed is made an issue by 'JohnClucas' (04 Apr 2009 @ 19:38)

Re: Tangler by 'JohnClucas' (03 Apr 2009 @ 21:37)

Re: Tangler by 'TanglerTKM' (03 Apr 2009 @ 22:05)

Re: Tangler by 'JohnClucas' (04 Apr 2009 @ 12:42)

Re:Enforce the things that matter by 'QuickOldTimer' (04 Apr 2009 @ 14:19)

Re:Enforce the things that matter by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (05 Apr 2009 @ 0:01)

Re:Enforce the things that matter by 'TanglerTKM' (05 Apr 2009 @ 8:57)

Re:Enforce the things that matter by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (05 Apr 2009 @ 13:21)

Re:Enforce the things that matter by 'QuickOldTimer' (05 Apr 2009 @ 17:47)

Re:Enforce the things that matter by 'TanglerTKM' (05 Apr 2009 @ 18:38)

Re:Enforce the things that matter by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (05 Apr 2009 @ 20:05)

Re:Enforce the things that matter by 'JohnClucas' << You are here!

Re:Enforce the things that matter by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (06 Apr 2009 @ 7:24)

Re: and what about consistency in punishment by 'JohnClucas' (03 Apr 2009 @ 20:47)

Re: This stuff is NOT complex! by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (03 Apr 2009 @ 20:37)

Re: This stuff is NOT complex! by 'DevonHawker' (03 Apr 2009 @ 20:48)

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