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Posted by 'davidmc' on 22 May 2009 @ 13:26

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Again, that quote supports my point. When the old Concorde Agreement expired and there was a risk of a breakaway series, the FIA and Bernie put clauses into the new Concorde Agreement to entice Ferrari back.

The extent of what the veto allows is purely speculative, but even the Times (despite one opinion piece of illogical ramblings) states that this is a veto regarding changes to the technical rules. Mosley also suggests said veto is limited in when it can be applied (i.e. a certain date before the rules are finally published).

In the old Concorde Agreement all the teams had the power of such a veto. Williams even used it themselves when blocking the entry of customer cars. The old Concorde Agreement has been available for many years now (I believe it was leaked back in 2005).

Secondly, the fact that this is the only time Ferrari have been forced to use it (previously, technical rule changes had to be approved by unanimous agreement of all teams) makes any argument about "in-season" meddling in past years redundant. Especially in light of Mosley's quote stating the time to use it had passed.

So what we appear to have is a situation where Ferrari, as sole signatories to the new Concorde Agreement, have the ability to veto rule changes prior to the start of the season.

The reason the mainstream motorsport press has not reported on it is because it was widely reported many years ago. Until such time as they have more information regarding the extent and power of the veto, this will remain old news.

Should it come to light that Ferrari have had the contractual ability to influence the decisions of the Stewards and the WMSC, as suggested by 99% of arguments against Ferrari, then I will happily state I was wrong.

All this hyperbole about being a Tifosi and whatnot is nonsense and does nothing to further the argument. I couldn't care less if Ferrari win, lose or withdraw. It is quite evident that Ferrari's success came about through Jean Todt, Roass Brawn, Rory Byrne and Michael Schumacher. The latter three having won 7 drivers championships from 1994 - 2004, Ross Brawn again in 2007 and probably 2009. With these key guys having left, Ferrari is returning to the shambles it once was.

Dave

Message Thread:

For those who said I was WRONG about FIAt! by 'itpro' (21 May 2009 @ 13:49)

Re: For those who said I was WRONG about FIAt! by 'itpro' (21 May 2009 @ 13:57)

Re: For those who said I was WRONG about FIAt! by 'Doink' (21 May 2009 @ 14:13)

Re: For those who said I was WRONG about FIAt! by 'Boots' (21 May 2009 @ 14:21)

Re: For those who said I was WRONG about FIAt! by 'RichyC' (21 May 2009 @ 15:05)

Makes McLaren`s problems seem very small time now. by 'IvanGreenfield' (21 May 2009 @ 15:34)

Re: Makes McLaren`s problems seem very small time by 'itpro' (21 May 2009 @ 15:51)

Rigged by 'TanglerTKM' (22 May 2009 @ 15:57)

Re: Rigged by 'Doink' (22 May 2009 @ 16:31)

Re: Rigged, Tangler by 'itpro' (22 May 2009 @ 16:36)

Re: Rigged, Tangler by 'TanglerTKM' (22 May 2009 @ 17:20)

Re: Rigged, Tangler by 'Doink' (22 May 2009 @ 17:26)

Re: Rigged, Tangler by 'Doink' (22 May 2009 @ 17:31)

Re: Rigged, Tangler by 'Doink' (22 May 2009 @ 18:02)

Re: Rigged, Tangler by 'itpro' (23 May 2009 @ 0:37)

Re: Rigged, Tangler by 'TanglerTKM' (23 May 2009 @ 8:54)

Re: Rigged, Tangler by 'Gillard77' (23 May 2009 @ 11:12)

Re: Rigged, Tangler by 'itpro' (24 May 2009 @ 0:37)

Re: Rigged, Tangler by 'davidmc' (24 May 2009 @ 2:16)

Re: Rigged, Tangler by 'itpro' (26 May 2009 @ 0:51)

Re: Rigged, Tangler by 'TanglerTKM' (26 May 2009 @ 1:24)

Re: Rigged, Tangler by 'TanglerTKM' (24 May 2009 @ 10:09)

Re: For those who said I was WRONG about FIAt! by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (21 May 2009 @ 15:51)

Typical Tifosi by 'itpro' (21 May 2009 @ 16:40)

Re: Typical Tifosi by 'Doink' (21 May 2009 @ 16:49)

Re: Typical Tifosi by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (21 May 2009 @ 17:13)

Re: Typical Tifosi by 'itpro' (21 May 2009 @ 18:27)

Re: Typical Tifosi by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (21 May 2009 @ 22:18)

Re: Typical Tifosi by 'itpro' (22 May 2009 @ 0:11)

Re: Typical Tifosi by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (22 May 2009 @ 0:31)

Re: Typical Tifosi by 'itpro' (22 May 2009 @ 0:45)

Confirmation.. by 'merv' (21 May 2009 @ 18:18)

Re: Confirmation.. by 'itpro' (21 May 2009 @ 18:28)

Re: Confirmation.. by 'Doink' (21 May 2009 @ 18:53)

Re: Confirmation.. by 'davidmc' (21 May 2009 @ 18:51)

Re: Confirmation.. by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (22 May 2009 @ 0:17)

Re: Confirmation.. by 'itpro' (22 May 2009 @ 0:31)

Re: Confirmation.. by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (22 May 2009 @ 0:45)

Re: Confirmation.. by 'itpro' (22 May 2009 @ 0:49)

Re: Confirmation.. by 'davidmc' (22 May 2009 @ 2:14)

Re: Confirmation.. by 'itpro' (22 May 2009 @ 10:19)

Re: Confirmation.. by 'merv' (22 May 2009 @ 12:08)

Oh really.......! by 'itpro' (22 May 2009 @ 0:27)

Re: For those who said I was WRONG about FIAt! by 'BD' (21 May 2009 @ 18:57)

Re: For those who said I was WRONG about FIAt! by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (21 May 2009 @ 22:26)

Re: For those who said I was WRONG about FIAt! by 'kudos' (21 May 2009 @ 22:51)

BD and Dan by 'itpro' (22 May 2009 @ 0:43)

Davidmc if you want to quote... by 'merv' (22 May 2009 @ 9:18)

And this from the times as well.. by 'merv' (22 May 2009 @ 9:23)

Re: And this from the times as well.. by 'davidmc' << You are here!

Re: Davidmc if you want to quote... by 'BD' (22 May 2009 @ 9:25)

Re: BD and Dan by 'BD' (22 May 2009 @ 9:23)

BD...DOH! by 'merv' (22 May 2009 @ 9:31)

re: bd...doh! by 'merv' (22 May 2009 @ 9:35)

re: bd...doh! by 'BD' (22 May 2009 @ 9:42)

BD.... what a stunning reply! by 'itpro' (22 May 2009 @ 10:23)

me.......tifosi..........wtf. by 'BD' (22 May 2009 @ 10:32)

Re: me.......tifosi..........wtf. by 'BD' (22 May 2009 @ 10:34)

Re: me.......tifosi..........wtf. by 'BD' (22 May 2009 @ 10:37)

Re: me.......tifosi..........wtf. by 'BD' (22 May 2009 @ 10:41)

Re: me.......tifosi..........wtf. by 'itpro' (22 May 2009 @ 10:50)

Re: me.......tifosi..........wtf. by 'BD' (22 May 2009 @ 10:51)

Hang on! BD by 'itpro' (22 May 2009 @ 10:58)

Re: Hang on! BD by 'BD' (22 May 2009 @ 11:06)

BD..it would be a shame if you left by 'merv' (22 May 2009 @ 12:00)

Re: BD..it would be a shame if you left by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (22 May 2009 @ 15:42)

Re: BD..it would be a shame if you left by 'itpro' (22 May 2009 @ 16:37)

Re: BD..it would be a shame if you left by 'itpro' (22 May 2009 @ 16:40)

Just for Clarity by 'Gillard77' (22 May 2009 @ 9:48)

Re: Just for Clarity by 'itpro' (22 May 2009 @ 10:26)

Re: Breaking news....... by 'Doink' (22 May 2009 @ 16:44)

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