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Re: Tangler
Posted by 'JohnClucas' on 16 Apr 2009 @ 14:54

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Are you seriously suggesting that 66% speed at speed camera locations?!!! Now that would be silly.

Those figures are clearly from relatively covert traffic surveys of one kind or another - and certainly wouldn't be so high if the measuring device was visible, now would they? And they will be across a wide range of roads (they do it in villages near us and trunk routes regularly)

Now I will accept that you probably wouldn't put a pair of wires (one of the normal methods of measuring speed) down on a roundabout, but you have to accept, given that 66% or 50% is vastly greater than 13% of fatal accidents (or the 5% figure for speeding related accidents as a whole) that either

a) The vast majority of accidents occur at locations where speed limits are irrelevant
OR
b) Speeders are safer as a group than non-speeders.

Which do you prefer?

In either case the speeder-centric approach to road safety is useless - as indeed it has proved to be over the last 15 years.

Message Thread:

Speed limits by 'MarkW' (12 Apr 2009 @ 3:19)

Re: Speed limits by 'Latestarter' (12 Apr 2009 @ 6:53)

Re: Speed limits by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (12 Apr 2009 @ 9:18)

Re: Speed limits by 'mobilechicane' (12 Apr 2009 @ 10:33)

Re: Speed limits by 'Tmoon' (12 Apr 2009 @ 11:44)

Re: Speed limits by 'DBaldwin' (12 Apr 2009 @ 12:16)

Re: Speed limits by 'michaelg36' (12 Apr 2009 @ 12:36)

Re: Speed limits by 'harvinsurrey' (12 Apr 2009 @ 17:00)

Re: Speed limits by 'harvinsurrey' (12 Apr 2009 @ 17:02)

Re: Speed limits by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (12 Apr 2009 @ 20:41)

Re: Speed limits by 'kudos' (12 Apr 2009 @ 22:19)

Re: Speed limits by 'HC64' (13 Apr 2009 @ 0:17)

Re: Speed limits by 'ChrisAdams' (13 Apr 2009 @ 2:00)

Re: Speed limits by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (13 Apr 2009 @ 8:07)

Re: Speed limits by 'JohnClucas' (13 Apr 2009 @ 9:18)

Re: Speed limits by 'davidmc' (13 Apr 2009 @ 11:37)

Re: I don't want to re-run the argument again by 'JohnClucas' (13 Apr 2009 @ 12:46)

Re: Speed limits by 'harvinsurrey' (13 Apr 2009 @ 9:26)

Re: Speed limits by 'HC64' (13 Apr 2009 @ 9:42)

Re: Speed limits by 'DBaldwin' (13 Apr 2009 @ 10:07)

Re: Speed limits by 'HC64' (13 Apr 2009 @ 11:03)

Re: Speed limits by 'davidmc' (13 Apr 2009 @ 11:49)

Re: Speed limits by 'ChrisAdams' (13 Apr 2009 @ 13:32)

Re: Speed limits by 'JohnClucas' (14 Apr 2009 @ 10:55)

Re: Speed limits by 'davidmc' (14 Apr 2009 @ 11:33)

Re: Sorry david but it certainly does by 'JohnClucas' (14 Apr 2009 @ 16:25)

Re: Speed limits and cameras by 'JohnClucas' (14 Apr 2009 @ 16:42)

Re: Speed limits and cameras by 'TanglerTKM' (14 Apr 2009 @ 17:29)

Re: No Tangler by 'JohnClucas' (14 Apr 2009 @ 17:34)

can you post the link? by 'TanglerTKM' (14 Apr 2009 @ 17:38)

Re: Give me strength by 'JohnClucas' (14 Apr 2009 @ 19:31)

You don't have the figures do you John... by 'TanglerTKM' (14 Apr 2009 @ 23:58)

Re: Eyesight problem, brain fade or just idle? by 'JohnClucas' (15 Apr 2009 @ 20:54)

Re: Eyesight problem, brain fade or just idle? by 'Avago' (15 Apr 2009 @ 22:36)

Re: Eyesight problem, brain fade or just idle? by 'TanglerTKM' (16 Apr 2009 @ 1:45)

Re: Avago Tangler by 'JohnClucas' (16 Apr 2009 @ 8:04)

Re: John by 'davidmc' (16 Apr 2009 @ 9:41)

..trying to make it simple. by 'TanglerTKM' (16 Apr 2009 @ 11:37)

Re: David by 'JohnClucas' (16 Apr 2009 @ 14:43)

Re: Tangler by 'JohnClucas' << You are here!

Re: John by 'davidmc' (16 Apr 2009 @ 20:43)

Re: sorry David by 'JohnClucas' (16 Apr 2009 @ 22:02)

John, stop making conclusions you can't make by 'TanglerTKM' (16 Apr 2009 @ 22:44)

Re: Eyesight problem, brain fade or just idle? by 'davidmc' (17 Apr 2009 @ 0:27)

Re:straws get thinner by the moment by 'JohnClucas' (17 Apr 2009 @ 19:22)

Re: Eyesight problem, brain fade or just idle? by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (17 Apr 2009 @ 23:38)

Dan & John by 'TanglerTKM' (18 Apr 2009 @ 10:06)

Re: convenient misinterpretation of the figures by 'JohnClucas' (18 Apr 2009 @ 20:44)

Re: Speed limits by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (13 Apr 2009 @ 22:14)

Re: Speed limits by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (13 Apr 2009 @ 22:20)

Re: Speed limits by 'davidmc' (14 Apr 2009 @ 8:32)

Re: Speed limits by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (14 Apr 2009 @ 9:00)

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