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Posted by 'itpro' on 06 Oct 2008 @ 13:20

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Now we can move away from the concept of PROOF.... we might get somewhere!

Yes there IS a very VERY strong 'scientific CONCENSUS', as you rightly put it!

Taking science as a 'democracy', it's an 'election LANDSLIDE'!

The VAST majority of 'climate' scientists, weathermen, geologists, and all OTHER 'branches' of science involved with the subject have not the SLIGHTEST doubt that climate change IS occurring at a FAR faster range than we would expect when looking at the histoirical records.

They also agree, in the same sort of numbers, that it is towards a WARMER climate for the earth as a whole!

However, in line with ALL of the concepts behind the 'scientific method', there WILL be low numbers of similar scientists who will argue that it is NOT occurring! This is NOT a surprise! There really ARE 'scientists' continually challenging all the OTHER 'concencuses' (is that the right 'plural'?)... and they will also be producing good EVIDENCE and good HYPOTHESES which 'PROVE' that it's NOT happening! Staggeringly, there are STILL scientists doing work to show that cigarrettes DON'T affect your chances of getting lung disease!

However, the VAST VAST VAST majority AGRRE that it IS happening and, by the 'rules' of science, it is therefore 'common ground' that it IS happening!

There is NOT *AS* MUCH 'concencus' that mankind IS producing significant effects on the climate. However; very, VERY few would doubt that we ARE having SOME effect on climate! The argument does NOT 'turn' on whether it IS happening but whether it is a LARGE effect or a small one! It's also whether there IS anything that we COULD do to CHANGE it BACK AGAIN. However, again, the concensus IS for such an 'anthropomorphic' effect! However, it's not a 'landslide' this time so much as a damned strong 'WIN'!

We really HAVE left the 'era' where climate change is 'up for discussion amongst' 'scientists' at the moment. What's being discussed now is how BIG an effect, how FAST it's happening, how far that change will GO and if we can DO anything about it! Plus discussions about WHAT we SHOULD do!

Again, do not take MY word for it! Go and READ something credible about it! New Scientist is NOT a 'lacky' of the science world: it really IS a sort of 'maverick' in the same way that the 'Sun' is a maverick 'newspaper' amongst the others. It really IS easy to read and understand and it's damned good FUN to read!

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Think of this another way: how much would you rely on the views of someone about KARTS if that person had never driven one, never studied karting, watched karting or read ANYTHING about it from people who KNOW about karting but held their views on karting simply from what they had seen on 'day time tv'?

If you DON'T read even the simplest 'science digest', how can you feel that you hold even partially informed views?

Ian

Message Thread:

Itpro Hornets Nest by 'RoadRat' (04 Oct 2008 @ 21:07)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest by 'Booney' (04 Oct 2008 @ 21:57)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest by 'RoadRat' (04 Oct 2008 @ 22:58)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest by 'DevonHawker' (05 Oct 2008 @ 12:14)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest. by 'itpro' (06 Oct 2008 @ 2:34)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest. by 'DevonHawker' (06 Oct 2008 @ 9:27)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest. by 'itpro' (06 Oct 2008 @ 10:33)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest. by 'DevonHawker' (06 Oct 2008 @ 11:02)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest. by 'itpro' (06 Oct 2008 @ 11:48)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest. by 'DevonHawker' (06 Oct 2008 @ 14:22)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest. by 'itpro' (06 Oct 2008 @ 15:22)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest. by 'DevonHawker' (06 Oct 2008 @ 15:52)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest. by 'itpro' (06 Oct 2008 @ 16:22)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest. Booney by 'itpro' (06 Oct 2008 @ 2:30)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest by 'itpro' (05 Oct 2008 @ 0:38)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest by 'NikG' (05 Oct 2008 @ 7:59)

Nik by 'itpro' (06 Oct 2008 @ 2:04)

Re: Nik by 'NikG' (06 Oct 2008 @ 8:29)

Re: Nik by 'itpro' (06 Oct 2008 @ 10:36)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest by 'cobb22' (05 Oct 2008 @ 8:11)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest by 'Hootsman' (05 Oct 2008 @ 10:24)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest: Cobb! by 'itpro' (06 Oct 2008 @ 2:08)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest: Cobb! by 'cobb22' (06 Oct 2008 @ 21:29)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest by 'rmax' (05 Oct 2008 @ 10:34)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest by 'DavyBoy' (05 Oct 2008 @ 12:11)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest by 'DevonHawker' (05 Oct 2008 @ 12:20)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest, Oh GOD, Davy! by 'itpro' (06 Oct 2008 @ 2:19)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest, Oh GOD, Davy! by 'RoadRat' (06 Oct 2008 @ 7:46)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest, Oh GOD, Davy! by 'itpro' (06 Oct 2008 @ 10:41)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest, Oh GOD, Davy! by 'DavyBoy' (06 Oct 2008 @ 8:02)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest, Oh GOD, Davy! by 'itpro' (06 Oct 2008 @ 10:50)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest, Oh GOD, Davy! by 'blobslosak' (06 Oct 2008 @ 11:22)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest, Oh GOD, Davy! by 'itpro' (06 Oct 2008 @ 11:54)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest, Oh GOD, Davy! by 'DavyBoy' (06 Oct 2008 @ 11:51)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest, Oh GOD, Davy! by 'itpro' (06 Oct 2008 @ 12:02)

No wonder were all confused........ by 'RoadRat' (06 Oct 2008 @ 12:44)

Re: No wonder were all confused........ by 'blobslosak' (06 Oct 2008 @ 13:10)

Blob... by 'itpro' (06 Oct 2008 @ 13:25)

Re: Blob... by 'itpro' (06 Oct 2008 @ 13:31)

Now we are getting somewhere! by 'itpro' << You are here!

Re: Now we are getting somewhere! by 'davidmc' (06 Oct 2008 @ 18:02)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest, Oh GOD, Davy! by 'DavyBoy' (06 Oct 2008 @ 14:15)

Re: Itpro Hornets Nest, Oh GOD, Davy! by 'itpro' (06 Oct 2008 @ 15:40)

Let's move off this. by 'DavyBoy' (06 Oct 2008 @ 17:00)

Re: Let's move off this. by 'itpro' (06 Oct 2008 @ 19:43)

Re: Let's move off this. by 'blobslosak' (06 Oct 2008 @ 19:59)

A thousand to 1 or better? by 'RoadRat' (06 Oct 2008 @ 20:00)

I'll take that bet! by 'TanglerTKM' (06 Oct 2008 @ 21:55)

Re: A thousand to 1 or better? by 'itpro' (07 Oct 2008 @ 0:51)

Monty Python............................... by 'RoadRat' (07 Oct 2008 @ 8:35)

Re.Rat...... by 'vic' (07 Oct 2008 @ 9:29)

Is Vic there ? by 'DavyBoy' (07 Oct 2008 @ 10:55)

No one expects the Climate Change Inquisition by 'RoadRat' (07 Oct 2008 @ 11:52)

Re: No one expects the Climate Change Inquisition by 'itpro' (07 Oct 2008 @ 13:12)

Re: Monty Python............................... by 'itpro' (07 Oct 2008 @ 11:22)

Re: Monty Python............................... by 'RoadRat' (07 Oct 2008 @ 11:45)

Oh dear....One phrase says it all....... by 'vic' (07 Oct 2008 @ 13:12)

Vic..... another classic by 'itpro' (07 Oct 2008 @ 14:05)

Ian.....It was Eritosthanes (sp!).... by 'vic' (07 Oct 2008 @ 14:30)

Re: Ian.....It was Eritosthanes (sp!).... by 'itpro' (07 Oct 2008 @ 15:14)

aCLASSIC, And my last word to you! by 'itpro' (07 Oct 2008 @ 13:38)

Re: Let's move off this. by 'DavyBoy' (06 Oct 2008 @ 20:49)

Re: Let's move off this. by 'itpro' (07 Oct 2008 @ 1:07)

Prevarication by 'DavyBoy' (07 Oct 2008 @ 9:14)

Re: Prevarication........you said it! by 'vic' (07 Oct 2008 @ 9:39)

Sadly, Vic....... they will do EXACTLY that! by 'itpro' (07 Oct 2008 @ 10:20)

Re: Sadly, Vic....... they will do EXACTLY that! by 'davidmc' (07 Oct 2008 @ 17:58)

Please..... by 'vic' (07 Oct 2008 @ 21:09)

Re: Please..... by 'davidmc' (07 Oct 2008 @ 21:53)

Time's running out!... by 'vic' (08 Oct 2008 @ 6:20)

Well, the suns up.....and still no proof.... by 'vic' (08 Oct 2008 @ 8:39)

What's that got to do with it ? by 'DavyBoy' (08 Oct 2008 @ 9:10)

Well, you brought it up........ by 'vic' (08 Oct 2008 @ 10:15)

I don't believe I did ! by 'DavyBoy' (08 Oct 2008 @ 11:53)

OK... by 'vic' (08 Oct 2008 @ 12:51)

Not OK... I'm DavyBoy... not davidmc ! by 'DavyBoy' (08 Oct 2008 @ 13:12)

Davy...... by 'itpro' (08 Oct 2008 @ 13:27)

Yup..sorry.... by 'vic' (08 Oct 2008 @ 14:11)

Re: Well, the suns up.....and still no proof.... by 'davidmc' (08 Oct 2008 @ 10:39)

Re: Well, the suns up.....and still no proof.... by 'itpro' (08 Oct 2008 @ 13:46)

Re: Well, the suns up.....and still no proof.... by 'davidmc' (08 Oct 2008 @ 17:05)

The undeniable proof of Global Warming! by 'TanglerTKM' (08 Oct 2008 @ 19:30)

Re: Well, the suns up.....and still no proof.... by 'itpro' (08 Oct 2008 @ 19:45)

Re: Well, the suns up.....and still no proof.... by 'davidmc' (08 Oct 2008 @ 20:48)

Re: Well, the suns up.....and still no proof.... by 'itpro' (09 Oct 2008 @ 1:00)

Re: Well, the suns up.....and still no proof.... by 'davidmc' (09 Oct 2008 @ 9:00)

As an engineer myself... by 'vic' (09 Oct 2008 @ 12:55)

David by 'itpro' (09 Oct 2008 @ 13:05)

Re: Well, the suns up.....and still no proof.... by 'QuickOldTimer' (09 Oct 2008 @ 13:14)

Re: Well, the suns up.....and still no proof.... by 'itpro' (09 Oct 2008 @ 13:21)

Re: Prevarication, tripe! by 'itpro' (07 Oct 2008 @ 10:16)

Re: Prevarication, tripe... exactly ! by 'DavyBoy' (07 Oct 2008 @ 10:46)

Nice try..... but a failure! by 'itpro' (07 Oct 2008 @ 11:37)

Re: Yes... but a failure of what ? by 'DavyBoy' (07 Oct 2008 @ 13:02)

Re: Yes... but a failure of what ? by 'itpro' (07 Oct 2008 @ 13:24)

I haven't changed my position Ian. by 'DavyBoy' (07 Oct 2008 @ 14:31)

Re: I haven't changed my position Ian. by 'itpro' (07 Oct 2008 @ 15:09)

Re: I haven't changed my position Ian. by 'DavyBoy' (07 Oct 2008 @ 17:08)

Arghhhhhhhh....... by 'itpro' (07 Oct 2008 @ 17:27)

Where's the proof. by 'DavyBoy' (07 Oct 2008 @ 18:14)

Re: Where's the proof. by 'itpro' (08 Oct 2008 @ 13:01)

Re: Arghhhhhhhh....... by 'davidmc' (07 Oct 2008 @ 22:04)

Re: Arghhhhhhhh....... by 'itpro' (08 Oct 2008 @ 13:17)

Its not about 'belief'.. by 'vic' (07 Oct 2008 @ 15:54)

Vic by 'itpro' (07 Oct 2008 @ 16:16)

What vanity by 'RoadRat' (07 Oct 2008 @ 16:39)

Re: What vanity by 'itpro' (07 Oct 2008 @ 17:04)

It's all about belief and incidentally proof...... by 'RoadRat' (07 Oct 2008 @ 16:32)

Re: It's all about belief and incidentally proof.. by 'itpro' (07 Oct 2008 @ 16:56)

Re: It's all about belief and incidentally proof.. by 'RoadRat' (07 Oct 2008 @ 17:09)

Re: It's all about belief and incidentally proof.. by 'itpro' (07 Oct 2008 @ 17:18)

Well..... by 'vic' (07 Oct 2008 @ 17:12)

Re: Its EXACTLY about 'belief'.... by 'DavyBoy' (07 Oct 2008 @ 17:00)

Re: Its not about 'belief'.. by 'davidmc' (07 Oct 2008 @ 22:25)

Re: Its not about 'belief'.. by 'itpro' (08 Oct 2008 @ 13:38)

Arrogance of your arguments by 'RoadRat' (08 Oct 2008 @ 14:11)

Re: Arrogance of YOUR arguments by 'itpro' (08 Oct 2008 @ 19:31)

Ah...something I can agree with by 'vic' (08 Oct 2008 @ 20:35)

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