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Re: On-track insurance necessary?
Posted by 'davidmc' on 12 Dec 2008 @ 14:13

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Change the legislation (or simply apply it correctly ) such that the only financial compensation for injury reflects the actual financial damage done. If I'm off work and injured for two weeks, pay me for two weeks. If I incur medical expenses, pay me for them. Do not however, offer financial reward for emotive reasons. If I lost a leg, all the money in the world wouldn't make me feel better about it.

Secondly, stop allowing the daft application of the legislation. Both you and I know it is totally unnecessary to ban putting tinsel on lollipops. Why allow it to happen? The fact that daft rules exist doesn't preclude any of us from fighting against them. As you always say, if you don't like a rule, fight to get it changed.

"Your example on 'lifting' is a JOKE! The DAMAGE done to people's lives by back injuries is HUGE and it is one of THE most common causes ill-health and loss of man-hours. 99% of the public do NOT knows how to lift things PROPERLY without TRAINING. Show me ANY evidence that people do NOT give themselves back-injuries by lifting the WRONG item or lifting BADLY and I'll accept your point! 100% of the evidence shows that people lift object WRONGLY and that is a MAJOR cuase of back injures! That's going to be a CRACKER!"

Nowhere have I stated that people don't injure themselves by lifting things incorrectly. However, as lifting is something we all have to do everyday, it should be your own responsibility to learn how to lift correctly and to identify whether you may need assistance. As you yourself stated, people injure themselves with knives all the time, yet we don't ban knives. It is accepted that people understand that knives are sharp and injury may occur.

Lets look at a practical example:

Lifting karts onto trolleys. The total weight of my kart is 70kg. H&S guidelines state safe limits for lifting from the floor of 5kg and from shoulder height of 25kg. Either way, the kart is too heavy for two people to lift in the eyes of H&S. Should all those kart teams now employ four or more people to lift one kart? No. Should they been trained how to lift a kart? Not really. Common sense dictates that you ask if you don't know something and you lift from your knees.

As an analogy, we get taught to cross the road from a very young age (I did anyway). If I were employed as a window cleaner in a high street, would you, as an employer, expect to have to train me on the vagueries of road crossing? No. Lifting is something we all have to do just like crossing roads.

H&S should get only get involved where people cannot reasonably be expected to:

a) Have prior knowledge relevant to assessing risk
b) Where PPE is not in use

Dave

Message Thread:

On-track insurance necessary? by 'PaulClarke' (09 Dec 2008 @ 18:14)

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'alanrr' (09 Dec 2008 @ 18:22)

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'Avago' (09 Dec 2008 @ 21:00)

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'itpro' (09 Dec 2008 @ 23:34)

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'alanrr' (10 Dec 2008 @ 10:07)

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'itpro' (10 Dec 2008 @ 15:37)

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'alanrr' (10 Dec 2008 @ 17:55)

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'davidmc' (10 Dec 2008 @ 18:00)

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'itpro' (11 Dec 2008 @ 12:50)

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'davidmc' (11 Dec 2008 @ 17:28)

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'itpro' (11 Dec 2008 @ 18:19)

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'davidmc' (11 Dec 2008 @ 19:17)

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'alanrr' (12 Dec 2008 @ 10:02)

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'itpro' (12 Dec 2008 @ 10:13)

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'itpro' (12 Dec 2008 @ 10:06)

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'alanrr' (12 Dec 2008 @ 11:11)

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'itpro' (12 Dec 2008 @ 11:45)

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'davidmc' (12 Dec 2008 @ 11:47)

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'itpro' (12 Dec 2008 @ 12:04)

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'davidmc' << You are here!

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'alanrr' (12 Dec 2008 @ 14:26)

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'PaulClarke' (12 Dec 2008 @ 14:41)

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'itpro' (12 Dec 2008 @ 14:48)

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'itpro' (12 Dec 2008 @ 14:43)

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'itpro' (12 Dec 2008 @ 14:37)

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'alanrr' (12 Dec 2008 @ 17:05)

David, Post.Script. by 'itpro' (12 Dec 2008 @ 14:50)

Re: H & S by 'PaulClarke' (12 Dec 2008 @ 17:34)

Re: H & S by 'itpro' (13 Dec 2008 @ 1:47)

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'PaulClarke' (10 Dec 2008 @ 9:04)

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'Glyn' (10 Dec 2008 @ 9:08)

Re: On-track insurance necessary? by 'DavyBoy' (10 Dec 2008 @ 9:31)

Re: PaulClark by 'Avago' (10 Dec 2008 @ 18:30)

Re: PaulClark by 'PaulClarke' (11 Dec 2008 @ 8:23)

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