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Re: A new GX200 thread - sorry
Posted by 'lard ass bob' on 15 Mar 2014 @ 08:27

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The pity is that nothing was done when the T2 was introduced. There was a massive opportunity at that point to stamp out the SP storm and nothing was done.

Overnight this also created the haves and the have nots - T1 v T2 as the way the regulations were written there was an immediate advantage to having the T2 and whilst it is in the regulations that steps can be taken to make the different specs more equal (and I have spoken to Kelvin on both) nothing has been done. So not only is there disparity between T1 & T2 we also throw in the SP position. And now the T2 for 2014 is even bigger than last year and low and behold the simplistic approach to attempting to equalise has actually achieved next to nothing. The big engines are still big - fact!

Had the 160 been the subject of power & torque equalisation we would not be anywhere near the current mess and I, for one, would have embraced this - the extra power might be nice but really is just a bonus for what is to create a low cost level playing field.

The success of Honda Cadet has been to detriment to prokarting. RPM was established when their market was solely prokarts and whilst they have benefited from the de-sealing of the Honda Cadet engine they continue to have a passion for prokarts. They have seen this market decline (along with the others) but rather than turn their back on it as others have and despite any attempts from the karting establishment to do something they come up with a solution to addresses the concerns expressed - the 2 biggest being cost and parity. This solution is far from perfect and I, for one, enjoy working on my own engines but if this is the price to pay for low cost, parity then I am still prepared to accept that.

Yes there will be casualties, that much is inevitable given that utopia would appear to be a step too far, however, so long as there is net growth in the support of this class again I would accept that. No-one is saying you can't race your 160, far from it. This might still be the future if the MSA/ABKC or whatever body can get a set a of regulations that achieve the same low cost/equalised performance result and if that is the result then again I think we have to thank RPM for showing the establishment the light on what can be achieved (albeit I can't see that drivers will be too keen on the power reduction)!

As much as I like Kelvin unfortunately I don't think he has listened. He might argue that the timing tool was the first step and a good one for sure but it is already too late and this has created more problems than it probably solved. The locking tool has been proven to in-accurate and by better qualified people than me. Even this could be simply corrected by providing a clear definition of TDC and an actual measurement to work to. But no, nothing. Save for an instruction to the MSA scrutineers to use a degree wheel to determine the correct TDC there remains no measurement.

And does it matter where the flywheels have come from? Are the 160 and 200 flywheels not the same? What has happened to all the 160 motors that have been bought for donor parts? I think it is a bonus if the 200 stock is being re-worked and sold into the prokart community. And if cadet fathers have paid for me to get a cheap, equalised engine I shall be the first to say thank-you. They, afteral, have been the ones that have as good as killed off this great class. In fact I say thanks again.

I could go on but I need to go racing in a nice big grid of 200 extremes at Teesside Enduro. You should see it in action or experience it yourself and then decide. Locally the only dissenting voices I have heard are from those that had a significant engine advantage up until now.

Graeme

Message Thread:

A new GX200 thread - sorry by 'DaveS' (14 Mar 2014 @ 11:09)

but what flywheels did they have in them? by 'CamberLeigh' (14 Mar 2014 @ 18:04)

Re: but what flywheels did they have in them? by 'Shaynec' (14 Mar 2014 @ 18:22)

Re: but what flywheels did they have in them? by 'ADZ' (14 Mar 2014 @ 23:20)

RPM by 'kezz99' (14 Mar 2014 @ 23:41)

Re: RPM by 'Shaynec' (15 Mar 2014 @ 12:44)

Re: but what flywheels did they have in them? by 'd-i-y71' (15 Mar 2014 @ 11:37)

Re: A new GX200 thread - sorry by 'lard ass bob' << You are here!

Re: A new GX200 thread - sorry by 'stevelyall' (15 Mar 2014 @ 10:00)

gx200 lol steve by 'ADZ' (15 Mar 2014 @ 11:26)

Re: gx200 lol steve by 'DapperDan' (15 Mar 2014 @ 14:34)

Re: gx200 lol steve-DD by 'BrianP' (15 Mar 2014 @ 15:22)

Re: gx200 lol steve-DD by 'DapperDan' (15 Mar 2014 @ 16:44)

Re: gx200 by 'DaveS' (15 Mar 2014 @ 16:47)

Re: gx200 by 'stevelyall' (15 Mar 2014 @ 17:15)

Re: gx200 by 'DaveS' (15 Mar 2014 @ 17:32)

How i have missed Dapper Dan :-) by 'ADZ' (15 Mar 2014 @ 19:21)

Re: gx200 by 'lard ass bob' (15 Mar 2014 @ 23:09)

Re: gx200 by 'Shaynec' (16 Mar 2014 @ 5:08)

Re: gx200 by 'lard ass bob' (16 Mar 2014 @ 5:58)

Dave S - Free Engines ??????? by 'baldyheadgreg' (16 Mar 2014 @ 15:20)

Re: Dave S - Free Engines ??????? by 'baldyheadgreg' (17 Mar 2014 @ 1:08)

Re: Dave S - baldyheadgreg by 'DaveS' (17 Mar 2014 @ 9:47)

Re: Dave S - baldyheadgreg by 'milky' (17 Mar 2014 @ 22:27)

Blatant cheating is okay, for free engines then? by 'RoadRat' (19 Mar 2014 @ 21:39)

Re: Blatant cheating is okay, for free engines the by 'd-i-y71' (20 Mar 2014 @ 9:55)

Re: Blatant cheating is okay, for free engines the by 'Piers' (20 Mar 2014 @ 10:07)

Re: Blatant cheating is okay, for free engines the by 'RoadRat' (20 Mar 2014 @ 10:12)

Re: Blatant cheating is okay, for free engines the by 'Piers' (20 Mar 2014 @ 10:16)

Re: Blatant cheating is okay, for free engines the by 'castree' (20 Mar 2014 @ 17:15)

Re: Blatant cheating is okay, for free engines the by 'Piers' (21 Mar 2014 @ 8:42)

Re: Blatant cheating is okay, for free engines the by 'Piers' (21 Mar 2014 @ 9:29)

Re: Blatant cheating is okay, for free engines the by 'RoadRat' (20 Mar 2014 @ 10:29)

Re: Blatant cheating is okay, for free engines the by 'd-i-y71' (20 Mar 2014 @ 11:49)

Re: Blatant cheating is okay, for free engines the by 'gk43' (20 Mar 2014 @ 14:58)

Re: Blatant cheating is okay, for free engines the by 'RoadRat' (20 Mar 2014 @ 18:03)

Re: Blatant cheating is okay, for free engines the by 'd-i-y71' (20 Mar 2014 @ 21:54)

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