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Re: One last time!
Posted by 'SimonS' on 12 Dec 2008 @ 13:22

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"If we have no more than 2 junior classes and 2 senior classes, by employing equivalence formulae we will be able to ensure that a much broader variety of kit can be used. Consequently karting will become a lot simpler and a lot more affordable for people ".

However, in your submission you sow the seeds of its own failure.

For example, you identify that your senior classes should be Max and TKM, ignoring Formula Blue which already has all teh qualities you ask for. It has restrictors so that the move from Junior to Senior is just a case of changing the numberplate (The difference is weight, the bottom Senior restrictors overlap the Junior restrictors of the same weight).

It already has different engines of comparable performance (originally the Aircooled PAG and the Watercooled TAGs some 10o years ago, now the Standard and the Maxi engines for heavyweight drivers)

It uses a harder tyre, somewhere between the Rotax and the TKM.

There are only two classes, Junior and Senior, and everyone races them, although you can get trophies within the one race for Masters, Veterans and Topweights. Notably, the top drivers in the subcategories don't collect their trophies because they generally get a 'real' one for finishing on the podium, even against drivers with successful national experience in other classes.

By your reckoning, you should be giving up your Rotax and going Blue, but you probably won't because you feel your class 'has advantages'.

Of course other people, those who sell Rotax for example, will play on your feelings because they make their living from 'their class'.

It isn't unusual, one person once admitted that they had spent years trying to 'stop' other classes, working at club and national committee level. They are probably still doing it because they are convinced that 'they are right'.

And this is the point, as much as anything it is the politics that damages the sport rather than the multiplicity of classes. Classes usually start because people aren't satisfied with conditions in another class,(contact driving, risky driving, cheating, costs and 'professionals') and just making the classes bigger isn't going to solve things, it is going to make it worse.

But politics occur for many different reasons and as soon as you solve one problem, the politicians will move on to another. If it's not reducing the number of classes, it's 'harmonising the rules', and if not harmonising rules then it's a safer environment and so on.

I happen to think, along with many others, that the ARKS test is a huge barrier to drivers starting up. The Blue Book says that a CoC may stop a driver starting a race or black flag him if he feels that the driver isn't safe. One can imagine that there would be lots of people ready to litigate if they were told that their driving didn't meet tha CoC's standard especially if it was judged on no more than three practice laps.

It wasn't so bad pre-TAG, a complete novice would have trouble staying up with the rolling lap (remember those days?) and probably be off in the tyres on the first corner and not be able to restart. Post Tag, he is out there again almost immediately, a danger to everyone trying to overtake him.

Common sense says that you would get experience before attempting your first race, Super Mario Karting and a session at ThunderDome Indoor Karting tells you you already have it! Hence the ARKS test is an expensive but perhaps necessary way of saying that a novice has been seen by another competent driver and judged ready to race.

Unfortunately it is also abused by people to make money.

That's politics.

Message Thread:

What worries me is! by 'SteveC' (12 Dec 2008 @ 8:21)

... this lot are disconnected from reality ? by 'DavyBoy' (12 Dec 2008 @ 9:03)

I agree with most of that! by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:57)

Re: What worries me is! by 'AlanHarding' (12 Dec 2008 @ 9:21)

Re: What worries me is! by 'NJB' (12 Dec 2008 @ 9:37)

Re: What worries me is! by 'chriskasch' (12 Dec 2008 @ 9:50)

Re: What worries me is! by 'NikG' (12 Dec 2008 @ 10:28)

Re: What worries me is! by 'michaelg36' (12 Dec 2008 @ 10:37)

Re: What worries me is! by 'Crashlanding' (12 Dec 2008 @ 10:55)

My late pal Freddie Hunter always said...... by 'SteveC' (12 Dec 2008 @ 13:07)

Re: What worries me is! by 'SMoss31' (12 Dec 2008 @ 11:00)

Re: What worries me is! by 'KevinW' (12 Dec 2008 @ 11:02)

Re: What worries me is! by 'davidmc' (12 Dec 2008 @ 11:23)

I think that's an excellent post! by 'SteveC' (12 Dec 2008 @ 13:12)

But Steve..... by 'michaelg36' (12 Dec 2008 @ 13:16)

It is optional, but many don't see it that way! by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 10:58)

Steve C by 'KevinW' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:32)

Maybe! But as NJB says it's only racing..... by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:38)

Re: Maybe! But as NJB says it's only racing..... by 'davidmc' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:50)

Re: I think that's an excellent post! by 'davidmc' (12 Dec 2008 @ 13:16)

Whilst your methods are a tadge draconian...... by 'SteveC' (12 Dec 2008 @ 13:09)

Kevin W by 'michaelg36' (12 Dec 2008 @ 13:13)

Have you suggested anything at those meetings Nik? by 'SteveC' (12 Dec 2008 @ 13:06)

Re: Have you suggested anything at those meetings by 'NikG' (12 Dec 2008 @ 18:03)

Re: Nik, I know how you feel ! by 'John' (13 Dec 2008 @ 5:06)

How does that work John! by 'SteveC' (16 Dec 2008 @ 8:07)

Re: How does that work John! by 'John' (16 Dec 2008 @ 11:23)

They'll do the sensible thing John! by 'SteveC' (17 Dec 2008 @ 10:08)

What was your suggestion Nik? nt by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:00)

Re: One last time! by 'John' (12 Dec 2008 @ 11:11)

Re: One last time! by 'DavyBoy' (12 Dec 2008 @ 11:28)

Re: One last time! - DavyBoy by 'John' (12 Dec 2008 @ 11:55)

Re: One last time! - DavyBoy by 'DavyBoy' (12 Dec 2008 @ 12:10)

Re: One last time! - DavyBoy by 'John' (12 Dec 2008 @ 12:19)

Re: One last time! - DavyBoy by 'MarkW' (12 Dec 2008 @ 12:37)

Re: One last time! - DavyBoy by 'DavyBoy' (12 Dec 2008 @ 12:38)

Re: One last time! - DavyBoy by 'John' (12 Dec 2008 @ 12:59)

Re: One last time! by 'SimonS' << You are here!

I was hoping you'd have a realistic and workable.. by 'SteveC' (12 Dec 2008 @ 13:14)

Re: One last time! by 'sinky' (12 Dec 2008 @ 23:02)

So suggest something Chris? nt by 'SteveC' (12 Dec 2008 @ 13:05)

Re: So suggest something Chris? nt by 'chriskasch' (12 Dec 2008 @ 15:51)

Not quite true! by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:08)

Re: Not quite true! by 'chriskasch' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:26)

Will it though? by 'SteveC' (12 Dec 2008 @ 13:03)

Re: Steve, you really are testing my patience by 'John' (12 Dec 2008 @ 13:28)

Re: Steve, you really are testing my patience by 'speedyman' (12 Dec 2008 @ 14:42)

I agree! by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:25)

Re: Steve, you really are testing my patience by 'colin' (12 Dec 2008 @ 14:43)

Re: Colin by 'John' (12 Dec 2008 @ 15:10)

Re: Colin - tyres may not need changing by 'John' (12 Dec 2008 @ 15:18)

Re: Colin - tyres may not need changing by 'gez65' (12 Dec 2008 @ 19:08)

Re: Tyres by 'pccsystems' (12 Dec 2008 @ 22:19)

Re: Tyres by 'JENK' (12 Dec 2008 @ 23:56)

Re: Tyres by 'dth07' (14 Dec 2008 @ 9:35)

Not well enough to catch on! by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:39)

What would happen to the tyres in between meetings by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:32)

Easy Kart and Club 100 started off doing it! by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:30)

You're right Colin and I think John knows...... by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:28)

John your ideas only have the base of an idea! by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:19)

Re: John your ideas only have the base of an idea! by 'Marc' (15 Dec 2008 @ 15:26)

Re: John your ideas only have the base of an idea! by 'rotaxmxr' (15 Dec 2008 @ 17:23)

Re: John your ideas only have the base of an idea! by 'davidmc' (15 Dec 2008 @ 18:55)

Re: John your ideas only have the base of an idea! by 'Marc' (15 Dec 2008 @ 22:00)

Rotax Max caters for too wide an audience by 'SteveC' (16 Dec 2008 @ 8:14)

ps When are you proposing your ideas to....... by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:21)

Re: What worries me is! by 'Jasper' (15 Dec 2008 @ 10:34)

Re: What worries me is! by 'Inter61' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:39)

Mmm, I think some of those ideas could be..... by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:46)

Re: Mmm, I think some of those ideas could be..... by 'davidmc' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:58)

How do the MSA raise funds? by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:43)

Re: How do the MSA raise funds? by 'Jasper' (15 Dec 2008 @ 12:15)

In defence of the MSA........... by 'alanrr' (15 Dec 2008 @ 15:07)

Re: In defence of the MSA........... by 'Jasper' (16 Dec 2008 @ 9:52)

Re: What worries me is! ... reflection and ideas by 'BennICC06' (15 Dec 2008 @ 13:28)

Re: What worries me is! ... ALTERATION by 'BennICC06' (15 Dec 2008 @ 13:36)

Re: What worries me is! ... ALTERATION by 'colin' (15 Dec 2008 @ 14:20)

Re: What worries me is! by 'andy140770' (02 Jan 2009 @ 3:38)

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