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Re: One last time!
Posted by 'John' on 12 Dec 2008 @ 11:11

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Steve, I glad you have moved this up the page as my scrolling finger was getting somewhat sore.
I will have one final go at this.

You know from the earlier thread my ideas for Rotax Max are:

1. Changes to be made only to Club racing not National Championships should I believe should remain the same some we have a step up in performance.

2. Use the Vega XLL tyre

3. Use fixed gearing set by each club designed to reduce maximum revs and thereby extending engine re-build times by a factor of two

4. Introduce a 3 meeting rule for tyres
With the simple introduction of those rules we would reduce tyre costs by one 1/3 and engine costs by half.

You say we have tried these ideas in the past and they have not worked, well I am sorry you have not! And as you know it’s easy to find problems and much harder to push change but if we want to maintain karting numbers in the recession then it must happen and happen now.

The only way to reduce the cost of karting is to deal with the cost base, which are the karter’s unavoidable running costs, tyres and engine life.
The other costs are solely the choice of each karter; if they want to run with a team, have 10 engines, 5 sets of rims, a new chassis for each meeting etc then OK, but if they get beat by someone with talent on a 3 year old chassis working out of his/her boot then they may think again. Especially as my changes to the rules will favour the skilful driver/chassis tuner as getting around the track will be much less reliant on the grip of your tyres.

My ideas are also made with an eye to maintaining the “Karting Trade” as it does not require that anybody goes shopping elsewhere but just that we go shopping less often.

You bang the Tyro drum and yes this could help in the current situation by helping new karters to first try karting and then hopefully join the ranks.

As I understand the Tyro rules it simply requires a reduction in power of the engine to set maximum levels, therefore it should be a golden opportunity for the whole of the “Karting Trade” to make new money!

Just get the ABkC to go to JAG, TMK and ZIP and tell them to develop a set of “TYRO” restrictors for their whole engine range, the beauty of this approach is that once the “new customer” wants to try real karting then all that is required is removing the restrictors and they are away. I can’t believe that if asked JAG they would not spend some time developing a set of restrictors for the DD2 Tyro, Snr Max Tyro, Jnr MAX Tyro, Mini Max Tyro, and Micro Max Tyro.

Message Thread:

What worries me is! by 'SteveC' (12 Dec 2008 @ 8:21)

... this lot are disconnected from reality ? by 'DavyBoy' (12 Dec 2008 @ 9:03)

I agree with most of that! by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:57)

Re: What worries me is! by 'AlanHarding' (12 Dec 2008 @ 9:21)

Re: What worries me is! by 'NJB' (12 Dec 2008 @ 9:37)

Re: What worries me is! by 'chriskasch' (12 Dec 2008 @ 9:50)

Re: What worries me is! by 'NikG' (12 Dec 2008 @ 10:28)

Re: What worries me is! by 'michaelg36' (12 Dec 2008 @ 10:37)

Re: What worries me is! by 'Crashlanding' (12 Dec 2008 @ 10:55)

My late pal Freddie Hunter always said...... by 'SteveC' (12 Dec 2008 @ 13:07)

Re: What worries me is! by 'SMoss31' (12 Dec 2008 @ 11:00)

Re: What worries me is! by 'KevinW' (12 Dec 2008 @ 11:02)

Re: What worries me is! by 'davidmc' (12 Dec 2008 @ 11:23)

I think that's an excellent post! by 'SteveC' (12 Dec 2008 @ 13:12)

But Steve..... by 'michaelg36' (12 Dec 2008 @ 13:16)

It is optional, but many don't see it that way! by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 10:58)

Steve C by 'KevinW' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:32)

Maybe! But as NJB says it's only racing..... by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:38)

Re: Maybe! But as NJB says it's only racing..... by 'davidmc' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:50)

Re: I think that's an excellent post! by 'davidmc' (12 Dec 2008 @ 13:16)

Whilst your methods are a tadge draconian...... by 'SteveC' (12 Dec 2008 @ 13:09)

Kevin W by 'michaelg36' (12 Dec 2008 @ 13:13)

Have you suggested anything at those meetings Nik? by 'SteveC' (12 Dec 2008 @ 13:06)

Re: Have you suggested anything at those meetings by 'NikG' (12 Dec 2008 @ 18:03)

Re: Nik, I know how you feel ! by 'John' (13 Dec 2008 @ 5:06)

How does that work John! by 'SteveC' (16 Dec 2008 @ 8:07)

Re: How does that work John! by 'John' (16 Dec 2008 @ 11:23)

They'll do the sensible thing John! by 'SteveC' (17 Dec 2008 @ 10:08)

What was your suggestion Nik? nt by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:00)

Re: One last time! by 'John' << You are here!

Re: One last time! by 'DavyBoy' (12 Dec 2008 @ 11:28)

Re: One last time! - DavyBoy by 'John' (12 Dec 2008 @ 11:55)

Re: One last time! - DavyBoy by 'DavyBoy' (12 Dec 2008 @ 12:10)

Re: One last time! - DavyBoy by 'John' (12 Dec 2008 @ 12:19)

Re: One last time! - DavyBoy by 'MarkW' (12 Dec 2008 @ 12:37)

Re: One last time! - DavyBoy by 'DavyBoy' (12 Dec 2008 @ 12:38)

Re: One last time! - DavyBoy by 'John' (12 Dec 2008 @ 12:59)

Re: One last time! by 'SimonS' (12 Dec 2008 @ 13:22)

I was hoping you'd have a realistic and workable.. by 'SteveC' (12 Dec 2008 @ 13:14)

Re: One last time! by 'sinky' (12 Dec 2008 @ 23:02)

So suggest something Chris? nt by 'SteveC' (12 Dec 2008 @ 13:05)

Re: So suggest something Chris? nt by 'chriskasch' (12 Dec 2008 @ 15:51)

Not quite true! by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:08)

Re: Not quite true! by 'chriskasch' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:26)

Will it though? by 'SteveC' (12 Dec 2008 @ 13:03)

Re: Steve, you really are testing my patience by 'John' (12 Dec 2008 @ 13:28)

Re: Steve, you really are testing my patience by 'speedyman' (12 Dec 2008 @ 14:42)

I agree! by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:25)

Re: Steve, you really are testing my patience by 'colin' (12 Dec 2008 @ 14:43)

Re: Colin by 'John' (12 Dec 2008 @ 15:10)

Re: Colin - tyres may not need changing by 'John' (12 Dec 2008 @ 15:18)

Re: Colin - tyres may not need changing by 'gez65' (12 Dec 2008 @ 19:08)

Re: Tyres by 'pccsystems' (12 Dec 2008 @ 22:19)

Re: Tyres by 'JENK' (12 Dec 2008 @ 23:56)

Re: Tyres by 'dth07' (14 Dec 2008 @ 9:35)

Not well enough to catch on! by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:39)

What would happen to the tyres in between meetings by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:32)

Easy Kart and Club 100 started off doing it! by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:30)

You're right Colin and I think John knows...... by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:28)

John your ideas only have the base of an idea! by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:19)

Re: John your ideas only have the base of an idea! by 'Marc' (15 Dec 2008 @ 15:26)

Re: John your ideas only have the base of an idea! by 'rotaxmxr' (15 Dec 2008 @ 17:23)

Re: John your ideas only have the base of an idea! by 'davidmc' (15 Dec 2008 @ 18:55)

Re: John your ideas only have the base of an idea! by 'Marc' (15 Dec 2008 @ 22:00)

Rotax Max caters for too wide an audience by 'SteveC' (16 Dec 2008 @ 8:14)

ps When are you proposing your ideas to....... by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:21)

Re: What worries me is! by 'Jasper' (15 Dec 2008 @ 10:34)

Re: What worries me is! by 'Inter61' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:39)

Mmm, I think some of those ideas could be..... by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:46)

Re: Mmm, I think some of those ideas could be..... by 'davidmc' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:58)

How do the MSA raise funds? by 'SteveC' (15 Dec 2008 @ 11:43)

Re: How do the MSA raise funds? by 'Jasper' (15 Dec 2008 @ 12:15)

In defence of the MSA........... by 'alanrr' (15 Dec 2008 @ 15:07)

Re: In defence of the MSA........... by 'Jasper' (16 Dec 2008 @ 9:52)

Re: What worries me is! ... reflection and ideas by 'BennICC06' (15 Dec 2008 @ 13:28)

Re: What worries me is! ... ALTERATION by 'BennICC06' (15 Dec 2008 @ 13:36)

Re: What worries me is! ... ALTERATION by 'colin' (15 Dec 2008 @ 14:20)

Re: What worries me is! by 'andy140770' (02 Jan 2009 @ 3:38)

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