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Re: The current method of starting and the reg to.
Posted by 'KartingPete' on 28 Nov 2008 @ 11:35


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Hi Steve,

The Reg does NOT say... "pole man dictates a steady/sensible pace THAT IS FAST ENOUGH TO KEEP ENGINES CLEAR and not so fast as to make it difficult for the others to keep formation".


The Reg simply says "Steady Pace".

I must admit I really don't agree with any penalty being applied to a pole-sitter who decides to run slowly enough to try to gain an advantage by attempting to keep his/her engine clear (at ANY given pace) whilst hoping that others are less succesful at it.

This has been happening for YEARS by some of the BEST drivers around.

Please don't tell me that you never did it when you had a pole. I know I did (not very succesfully!) and MOST drivers I know would admit to employing this tactic at some point or another. It should be regarded as a Skill. I know at the TKM O-Plate this year, the two drivers on the front row for one heat recorded only 2,800rpm at one point on the rolling lap!

Of course it's less succesful in clutched classes and classes with fixed jetting (Yuk!) and classes with "Float" carbs, but when a driver is expected to control the carburation (sp?) of his/her engine at all times, then I do not understand...

a) WHY you would regard it as contravening the Reg and...
b) HOW it contravenes the Reg? and...
c) WHAT is wrong with the process?

It is REGULARLY Seen at Club AND Super-1 meetings.

So WHY should going slowly on a formation lap be a problem. If a driver is prepared to try it then he/she is just as likely to suffer from engine "plug-fowling" as any other driver on the grid.

Thinking about it, I have to say I have never actually seen a penalty applied for this procedure either... I've heard rumblings and mutterings about it, but never actually seen a penalty applied.

So Why the problem?



Pete

Message Thread:

CoC at Whilton this weekend  by 'TKM177'   (24 Nov 2008 @ 8:13)
Re: CoC at Whilton this weekend  by 'Avago'   (24 Nov 2008 @ 8:47)
Who was the CoC at Whilton this weekend  by 'rotaxdave'   (24 Nov 2008 @ 9:31)
Re: Who was the CoC at Whilton this weekend  by 'Smith43'   (24 Nov 2008 @ 9:43)
Re: CoC at Whilton this weekend  by 'cadet44'   (24 Nov 2008 @ 10:44)
Anyone who didn't take the original start is.....  by 'SteveC'   (24 Nov 2008 @ 11:24)
Re: Anyone who didn't take the original start is..  by 'JPG'   (24 Nov 2008 @ 13:24)
Not relevant to being allowed to restart!  by 'SteveC'   (25 Nov 2008 @ 8:04)
Re: Anyone who didn't take the original start is..  by 'alanrr'   (24 Nov 2008 @ 14:11)
Re: Anyone who didn't take the original start is..  by 'LRT'   (24 Nov 2008 @ 15:02)
Re: CoC at Whilton this weekend  by 'kartcollector'   (24 Nov 2008 @ 17:17)
Re: CoC at Whilton this weekend  by 'Sticky'   (24 Nov 2008 @ 20:43)
The pole man is responsible for a pace that.....  by 'SteveC'   (25 Nov 2008 @ 8:09)
Re: The pole man is responsible for a pace that...  by 'davidmc'   (25 Nov 2008 @ 9:21)
Re: The pole man is responsible for a pace that...  by 'Sticky'   (25 Nov 2008 @ 15:38)
Re: The pole man is responsible for a pace that...  by 'itpro'   (25 Nov 2008 @ 15:45)
Rubbish, a driver needs to do the sensible thing!  by 'SteveC'   (27 Nov 2008 @ 10:42)
Re: The pole man is responsible for a pace that...  by 'davidmc'   (27 Nov 2008 @ 12:35)
Re: The pole man is responsible for a pace that...  by 'itpro'   (27 Nov 2008 @ 12:56)
Re: The pole man is responsible for a pace that...  by 'davidmc'   (27 Nov 2008 @ 13:16)
David  by 'itpro'   (27 Nov 2008 @ 14:36)
Re: David  by 'davidmc'   (27 Nov 2008 @ 18:24)
Re: David  by 'itpro'   (27 Nov 2008 @ 20:10)
Re: The pole man is responsible for a pace that...  by 'chriskasch'   (27 Nov 2008 @ 13:20)
The speed trap is only on the start line......  by 'SteveC'   (27 Nov 2008 @ 10:46)
Re: The speed trap is only on the start line......  by 'davidmc'   (27 Nov 2008 @ 12:45)
Re: The speed trap is only on the start line......  by 'itpro'   (27 Nov 2008 @ 13:02)
Re: The speed trap is only on the start line......  by 'davidmc'   (27 Nov 2008 @ 13:20)
Re: The speed trap is only on the start line......  by 'itpro'   (27 Nov 2008 @ 20:18)
Starting speeds another example of officials....  by 'QuickOldTimer'   (27 Nov 2008 @ 20:46)
You've obviously never used a pace kart for.......  by 'SteveC'   (28 Nov 2008 @ 10:35)
Re: You've obviously never used a pace kart for...  by 'chriskasch'   (28 Nov 2008 @ 10:40)
The current method of starting and the reg to.....  by 'SteveC'   (28 Nov 2008 @ 11:04)
Re: The current method of starting and the reg to.  by 'KartingPete'  << You are here!
That would be like timing the rolling lap!  by 'SteveC'   (28 Nov 2008 @ 12:22)
Re: That would be like timing the rolling lap!  by 'KartingPete'   (28 Nov 2008 @ 12:47)
Not having a grid of clean engines causes  by 'SteveC'   (28 Nov 2008 @ 12:53)
Re: Not having a grid of clean engines causes  by 'itpro'   (28 Nov 2008 @ 13:03)
Some kerbs yes, some kerbs no!  by 'SteveC'   (29 Nov 2008 @ 8:25)
Re: Some kerbs yes, some kerbs no!  by 'itpro'   (29 Nov 2008 @ 12:22)
The norm for karting is! (just for your......  by 'SteveC'   (29 Nov 2008 @ 13:22)
Re: The norm for karting is! (just for your......  by 'itpro'   (30 Nov 2008 @ 14:49)
Disc protectors are a CIK thing!  by 'SteveC'   (03 Dec 2008 @ 9:54)
Re: You've obviously never used a pace kart for...  by 'QuickOldTimer'   (28 Nov 2008 @ 11:00)
You've obviously not written regs before!  by 'SteveC'   (28 Nov 2008 @ 11:11)
There far from a perfect comparison!  by 'SteveC'   (28 Nov 2008 @ 8:50)
The off side reg hasn't changed in modern......  by 'SteveC'   (28 Nov 2008 @ 8:46)
Wrong again..... Steve!  by 'itpro'   (28 Nov 2008 @ 12:03)
Totally right, davidmc doesn't mention hockey!  by 'SteveC'   (28 Nov 2008 @ 12:27)
Re: Totally right, davidmc doesn't mention hockey!  by 'itpro'   (28 Nov 2008 @ 13:07)
http://www.karting.co.uk/notice/Message.asp?FID=1&  by 'SteveC'   (29 Nov 2008 @ 8:29)
...... and the TITLE read..........  by 'itpro'   (29 Nov 2008 @ 12:24)
However should you work out how to follow a.....  by 'SteveC'   (29 Nov 2008 @ 13:27)
Re: However should you work out how to follow a...  by 'itpro'   (30 Nov 2008 @ 14:52)
Safari makes it obvious!  by 'SteveC'   (02 Dec 2008 @ 13:07)
I'm so sorry Ian, I've only just realised!  by 'SteveC'   (29 Nov 2008 @ 13:41)
Hockey again!  by 'SteveC'   (29 Nov 2008 @ 13:29)
Just a test!  by 'itpro'   (30 Nov 2008 @ 14:55)
No, that would be your reply to your own post! nt  by 'SteveC'   (02 Dec 2008 @ 13:10)
Not so, football regs state very clearly that  by 'SteveC'   (28 Nov 2008 @ 8:44)
If I was talking about hockey off side, I would...  by 'SteveC'   (29 Nov 2008 @ 13:29)
Errrrr...... go on then.... explain it!  by 'itpro'   (30 Nov 2008 @ 14:58)
You're using an inferior browser!  by 'SteveC'   (02 Dec 2008 @ 13:08)
Re: You're using an inferior browser!  by 'itpro'   (02 Dec 2008 @ 17:05)
You've tested it on Safari on a PC!  by 'SteveC'   (03 Dec 2008 @ 9:56)
Re: You've tested it on Safari on a PC!  by 'itpro'   (03 Dec 2008 @ 10:24)
I don't think it was ever intended to do so!  by 'SteveC'   (04 Dec 2008 @ 9:09)
Just for the avoidance of doubt!  by 'SteveC'   (04 Dec 2008 @ 9:51)
RE:TKM 177  by 'Beezo'   (24 Nov 2008 @ 21:11)
RE:TKM 177  by 'TKM177'   (25 Nov 2008 @ 17:26)

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