UK Karting - Notice Board (Chat) : ...and the 'top hat' on it hits the point :-

Notice Board (Chat)

...and the 'top hat' on it hits the point :-
Posted by 'SimonS' on 14 Apr 2010 @ 11:19

| View Message Thread | Reply to this message |

SimonSJoined: December 2004
Total Posts: 4
[ View User Profile ]

"Discrimination is discrimination... be it on race, creed, age or sex. "

Please define 'discrimination'.

Legally discrimination is discrimination when the factor one is discriminating against is irrelevant to the matter in hand.

Thus it might be sensible to select coloured people in preference to white people if scanning for sickle cell anemia.

But only selecting white people to walk your dog would be discrimination. (unless the dog shows a distinct preference).

In the case of insurance, the evidence is that people present different risks in clearly defined patterns and responding to those patterns is not discrimination, they are relevant to the matter in hand.

Claiming that any form of differentiation is 'discrimination' is a disease of our society perhaps increased by ignorance of what teh word means or confusion caused by populist representation.

One might as well declare classes in karting as 'discrimination' and demand that all classes, from gearbox to cadet run in a single mass event.

"why that in almost 30 years there hasn't been :"

But of course there have been efforts made, but efforts have to be tempered with a likelihood of success.

For example, there is a requirement to tax and MOT a car. However 2 million drivers do neither.

There is a requirement that cars are insured correctly, yet thousands (millions?) of parents put their child's car (ie the child is the main or only driver)under their insurance. It's illegal.

One is required to obey speed limits, yet millions deliberately flout them, and enforcement of these laws has made the police intensely unpopular, affecting their ability to do the rest of their work. (You do realise that laws only work because we agree to obey them, not because they can be enforced, the essence of the success of Civil Disobedience, don't you?)

The second issue is that there have been many lobbies to address the problems of dangerous or defective driving. It isn't the insurance companies' job to make the laws though, that's the responsibility of government.

So there is no point in lobbying for a minimum driving age of 21, or 25 because it cannot be enforced.

There is no point in putting speed governors on engines, because the majority of accidents are not the result of pure speed, but of a speed within a legal limit but inappropriate for the conditions. ( A kart in wet weather isn't going to set a 'dry lap' record but it can still crash)

There has been a change recently in the form of the driving test. Indeed, failing it is one of the reasons so many drivers drive without a licence.

There have been major attempts to make cars safer, more controllable and more survivable, much of it as a result of legisation.
Roads are expensively modified to make them safer.

All moves to reduce the stats.

In the US one can get lower insurance by attending extra Driver's Education, in the UK by attending courses with the Institute of Advanced Motoring.

These are the points. Claiming that it is unfair, discrimination, is just a way of avoiding the issues.

Message Thread:

quin direct going into administration by 'rich84' (13 Apr 2010 @ 14:32)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'DavyBoy' (13 Apr 2010 @ 15:35)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'rich84' (13 Apr 2010 @ 16:06)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'DavyBoy' (13 Apr 2010 @ 17:06)

Davy..... total TRIPE! by 'itpro' (13 Apr 2010 @ 19:10)

itpro, not quite by 'michaelg36' (13 Apr 2010 @ 20:53)

Re: Davy..... total TRIPE! by 'PaulMRotax' (13 Apr 2010 @ 21:28)

Oh No Ian, Not TRIPE Ian... Not TRIPE at all ! by 'DavyBoy' (13 Apr 2010 @ 21:51)

Re: Oh No Ian, Not TRIPE Ian... Not TRIPE at all by 'itpro' (14 Apr 2010 @ 0:04)

I haven't read most of this thread, but.... by 'alanrr' (14 Apr 2010 @ 0:38)

Re: I haven't read most of this thread, but.... by 'itpro' (14 Apr 2010 @ 1:05)

...and the 'top hat' on it is as follows: by 'itpro' (14 Apr 2010 @ 1:19)

...and the 'top hat' on it misses the point :-( by 'DavyBoy' (14 Apr 2010 @ 8:52)

Davy by 'itpro' (14 Apr 2010 @ 10:24)

Re: Davy by 'DavyBoy' (14 Apr 2010 @ 10:41)

experience by 'rich84' (14 Apr 2010 @ 10:45)

Re: experience...... most amusing! by 'itpro' (14 Apr 2010 @ 10:58)

Re: experience by 'SimonS' (14 Apr 2010 @ 11:34)

Re: experience by '89cc' (14 Apr 2010 @ 12:16)

Re: experience by 'rich84' (14 Apr 2010 @ 13:58)

Re: experience by '89cc' (14 Apr 2010 @ 14:33)

Re: experience by '89cc' (14 Apr 2010 @ 14:37)

Re: Davy by 'itpro' (14 Apr 2010 @ 10:50)

OK. by 'DavyBoy' (14 Apr 2010 @ 12:45)

Persecution...... by 'itpro' (14 Apr 2010 @ 12:55)

Re: Persecution...... by 'DavyBoy' (14 Apr 2010 @ 13:11)

Re: Persecution...... by 'harvinsurrey' (14 Apr 2010 @ 14:44)

Re: Persecution...... by 'DavyBoy' (14 Apr 2010 @ 15:20)

Re: Persecution...... by 'harvinsurrey' (14 Apr 2010 @ 15:31)

Re: Persecution...... by 'DavyBoy' (14 Apr 2010 @ 15:53)

Re: Persecution...... by 'itpro' (14 Apr 2010 @ 16:03)

Re: Persecution...... by 'harvinsurrey' (14 Apr 2010 @ 16:17)

Re: Persecution...... by 'DavyBoy' (14 Apr 2010 @ 17:00)

Re: Persecution......Davy by 'itpro' (14 Apr 2010 @ 15:08)

Re: Persecution......Davy by 'harvinsurrey' (14 Apr 2010 @ 15:20)

Re: Persecution......Davy by 'itpro' (14 Apr 2010 @ 16:09)

Re: Persecution......Davy by 'harvinsurrey' (14 Apr 2010 @ 16:21)

Re: Persecution......Davy by 'itpro' (14 Apr 2010 @ 16:24)

Re: Persecution......Davy by 'harvinsurrey' (14 Apr 2010 @ 16:35)

Re: Persecution......Davy by 'DavyBoy' (14 Apr 2010 @ 15:27)

Re: Persecution......Davy by 'davidmc' (14 Apr 2010 @ 15:31)

Re: Persecution......Davy by 'harvinsurrey' (14 Apr 2010 @ 15:37)

Re: Persecution......Davy by 'itpro' (14 Apr 2010 @ 15:52)

Re: Persecution......Davy by 'davidmc' (14 Apr 2010 @ 16:13)

Re: Persecution......Davy by 'itpro' (14 Apr 2010 @ 16:19)

Re: Persecution......Davy by 'davidmc' (14 Apr 2010 @ 16:22)

I missed a bit..... by 'itpro' (14 Apr 2010 @ 10:42)

...and the 'top hat' on it hits the point :- by 'SimonS' << You are here!

Simon by 'itpro' (14 Apr 2010 @ 11:33)

Re: ...and the 'top hat' on it hits the point :- by 'harvinsurrey' (14 Apr 2010 @ 11:33)

Re: ...and the 'top hat' on it hits the point :- by 'itpro' (14 Apr 2010 @ 11:36)

Re: ...and the 'top hat' on it hits the point :- by 'harvinsurrey' (14 Apr 2010 @ 11:50)

Re: ...and the 'top hat' on it hits the point :- by 'SimonS' (14 Apr 2010 @ 11:43)

Re: ...and the 'top hat' on it hits the point :- by 'harvinsurrey' (14 Apr 2010 @ 11:56)

Re: ...and the 'top hat' on it hits the point :- by 'brinjono' (14 Apr 2010 @ 14:29)

Re: ...and the 'top hat' on it hits the point :- by 'harvinsurrey' (14 Apr 2010 @ 14:34)

Of course old people over forty have less..... by 'alanrr' (14 Apr 2010 @ 22:56)

Good old Alan...... by 'itpro' (15 Apr 2010 @ 1:24)

Questions for you Ian ? by 'DavyBoy' (15 Apr 2010 @ 10:22)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? by 'harvinsurrey' (15 Apr 2010 @ 10:48)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? by 'DavyBoy' (15 Apr 2010 @ 10:55)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? by 'harvinsurrey' (15 Apr 2010 @ 11:22)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? Harv by 'itpro' (15 Apr 2010 @ 11:14)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? Harv by 'harvinsurrey' (15 Apr 2010 @ 11:24)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? Harv by 'itpro' (15 Apr 2010 @ 11:40)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? Harv by 'harvinsurrey' (15 Apr 2010 @ 11:48)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? Harv by 'DavyBoy' (15 Apr 2010 @ 13:04)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? Harv by 'itpro' (15 Apr 2010 @ 15:52)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? Harv by 'DavyBoy' (15 Apr 2010 @ 21:13)

Errrrr ...... Davy..... by 'itpro' (16 Apr 2010 @ 0:34)

Re: Errrrr ...... Davy..... by 'DavyBoy' (16 Apr 2010 @ 17:21)

Re: Errrrr ...... Davy....errr... think it through by 'itpro' (16 Apr 2010 @ 18:19)

Re: Errrrr ...... Davy....errr... think it through by 'DavyBoy' (16 Apr 2010 @ 20:01)

Re: Errrrr ...... Davy....errr... think it through by 'itpro' (19 Apr 2010 @ 11:44)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? Harv by 'QuickOldTimer' (15 Apr 2010 @ 22:17)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? Harv by 'itpro' (16 Apr 2010 @ 0:35)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? Harv by 'alanrr' (15 Apr 2010 @ 22:52)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? Harv by 'harvinsurrey' (15 Apr 2010 @ 11:34)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? by 'itpro' (15 Apr 2010 @ 10:54)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? by 'DavyBoy' (15 Apr 2010 @ 11:11)

Davy by 'itpro' (15 Apr 2010 @ 11:25)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? by 'QuickOldTimer' (15 Apr 2010 @ 11:34)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? by 'itpro' (15 Apr 2010 @ 11:48)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? by 'QuickOldTimer' (15 Apr 2010 @ 11:59)

Dave... by 'itpro' (15 Apr 2010 @ 15:55)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? by 'harvinsurrey' (15 Apr 2010 @ 12:04)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? by 'Gillard77' (15 Apr 2010 @ 12:28)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? by 'harvinsurrey' (15 Apr 2010 @ 12:31)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? by 'itpro' (15 Apr 2010 @ 16:00)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? by 'Gillard77' (15 Apr 2010 @ 16:12)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? by 'itpro' (15 Apr 2010 @ 16:24)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? by 'Gillard77' (15 Apr 2010 @ 16:50)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? by 'itpro' (15 Apr 2010 @ 17:05)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? by 'itpro' (15 Apr 2010 @ 15:57)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? by 'harvinsurrey' (15 Apr 2010 @ 17:33)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? by 'itpro' (16 Apr 2010 @ 0:53)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? by 'harvinsurrey' (16 Apr 2010 @ 9:00)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? by 'Gillard77' (16 Apr 2010 @ 13:04)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? by 'harvinsurrey' (16 Apr 2010 @ 13:12)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? by 'itpro' (16 Apr 2010 @ 16:22)

Re: Questions for you Ian ? by 'DavyBoy' (15 Apr 2010 @ 13:40)

Surely theres an easy solution? by 'TanglerTKM' (15 Apr 2010 @ 14:52)

Re: Surely theres an easy solution? by 'harvinsurrey' (15 Apr 2010 @ 15:28)

Re: Surely theres an easy solution? by 'TanglerTKM' (15 Apr 2010 @ 15:40)

Tangler by 'itpro' (15 Apr 2010 @ 16:10)

Ooops.... typo! by 'itpro' (15 Apr 2010 @ 16:12)

Re: Ooops.... typo! by 'harvinsurrey' (15 Apr 2010 @ 17:11)

Re: Tangler by 'TanglerTKM' (15 Apr 2010 @ 17:14)

Re: Tangler by 'itpro' (16 Apr 2010 @ 0:41)

Re: Tangler (and also..to answer your question) by 'TanglerTKM' (15 Apr 2010 @ 17:32)

Re: Tangler (and also..to answer your question) by 'Gillard77' (15 Apr 2010 @ 17:43)

Re: Tangler (and also..to answer your question) by 'TanglerTKM' (15 Apr 2010 @ 18:09)

Re: Tangler (and also..to answer your question) by 'itpro' (16 Apr 2010 @ 0:48)

Re: Tangler...... by 'itpro' (16 Apr 2010 @ 0:47)

Re: Tangler...... by 'TanglerTKM' (16 Apr 2010 @ 1:21)

Re: Tangler...... by 'harvinsurrey' (16 Apr 2010 @ 9:04)

Re: Tangler...... by 'itpro' (16 Apr 2010 @ 11:09)

Re: Tangler...... by 'harvinsurrey' (16 Apr 2010 @ 13:31)

Ian you're being pedantic again :P by 'TanglerTKM' (16 Apr 2010 @ 14:22)

Re: Ian you're being pedantic again :P by 'harvinsurrey' (16 Apr 2010 @ 15:12)

Re: Ian you're being pedantic again :P by 'itpro' (16 Apr 2010 @ 16:03)

Re: Ian you're being pedantic again :P by 'TanglerTKM' (16 Apr 2010 @ 16:49)

Re: Ian you're being pedantic again :P by 'itpro' (16 Apr 2010 @ 17:03)

Re: Ian you're being pedantic again :P by 'TanglerTKM' (16 Apr 2010 @ 17:33)

Now who's being pedantic! by 'itpro' (16 Apr 2010 @ 18:13)

Re: Ian you're being pedantic again :P by 'TanglerTKM' (16 Apr 2010 @ 19:06)

Re: Ian you're being pedantic again :P by 'itpro' (17 Apr 2010 @ 0:59)

Re: Good old Alan...... by 'alanrr' (15 Apr 2010 @ 21:45)

Re: Good old Alan...... by 'itpro' (16 Apr 2010 @ 0:55)

continued by 'itpro' (16 Apr 2010 @ 1:00)

Re: continued by 'alanrr' (17 Apr 2010 @ 21:49)

Re: continued by 'itpro' (19 Apr 2010 @ 20:43)

Re: continued by 'alanrr' (23 Apr 2010 @ 0:08)

Re: quin direct going into administration by '89cc' (13 Apr 2010 @ 16:06)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'rich84' (13 Apr 2010 @ 16:09)

Re: quin direct going into administration by '89cc' (13 Apr 2010 @ 16:13)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'jnrblue91' (13 Apr 2010 @ 16:40)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'FullCanRacer' (13 Apr 2010 @ 17:52)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'SAS' (13 Apr 2010 @ 17:57)

Re: quin direct going into administration by '89cc' (13 Apr 2010 @ 19:58)

Full can........ by 'itpro' (13 Apr 2010 @ 19:17)

Come on Rich........ tell us the truth.,.,.... by 'itpro' (13 Apr 2010 @ 19:12)

Re: Come on Rich........ tell us the truth.,.,.... by 'mskart22' (13 Apr 2010 @ 19:18)

Re: Come on Rich........ tell us the truth.,.,.... by 'itpro' (13 Apr 2010 @ 19:23)

continued..... by 'itpro' (13 Apr 2010 @ 19:33)

itpro by 'rich84' (13 Apr 2010 @ 19:50)

Re: itpro by 'mskart22' (13 Apr 2010 @ 20:42)

Re: itpro by 'itpro' (14 Apr 2010 @ 0:27)

Here are some of the FACTS that you should know by 'itpro' (14 Apr 2010 @ 0:53)

Re: Here are some of the FACTS that you should kno by 'rich84' (14 Apr 2010 @ 10:41)

Re: Here are some of the FACTS that you should kno by 'itpro' (14 Apr 2010 @ 11:13)

Typo by 'itpro' (14 Apr 2010 @ 11:14)

Re: Here are some of the FACTS that you should kno by 'harvinsurrey' (14 Apr 2010 @ 15:18)

Re: Here are some of the FACTS that you should kno by 'itpro' (14 Apr 2010 @ 15:35)

Re: Here are some of the FACTS that you should kno by 'harvinsurrey' (14 Apr 2010 @ 15:44)

Re: Here are some of the FACTS that you should kno by 'itpro' (14 Apr 2010 @ 16:00)

Re: Here are some of the FACTS that you should kno by 'harvinsurrey' (14 Apr 2010 @ 16:10)

Re: Here are some of the FACTS that you should kno by 'itpro' (14 Apr 2010 @ 16:16)

Re: Here are some of the FACTS that you should kno by 'harvinsurrey' (14 Apr 2010 @ 16:27)

Re: Here are some of the FACTS that you should kno by 'itpro' (14 Apr 2010 @ 17:21)

Re: Here are some of the FACTS that you should kno by 'harvinsurrey' (14 Apr 2010 @ 18:07)

Re: Here are some of the FACTS that you should kno by 'itpro' (14 Apr 2010 @ 19:45)

Re: Here are some of the FACTS that you should kno by 'harvinsurrey' (14 Apr 2010 @ 19:50)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'Doink' (14 Apr 2010 @ 16:06)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'itpro' (14 Apr 2010 @ 16:11)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'harvinsurrey' (14 Apr 2010 @ 16:40)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'Doink' (14 Apr 2010 @ 16:59)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'harvinsurrey' (14 Apr 2010 @ 17:17)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'Doink' (14 Apr 2010 @ 17:32)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'harvinsurrey' (14 Apr 2010 @ 18:09)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'Doink' (14 Apr 2010 @ 18:19)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'harvinsurrey' (14 Apr 2010 @ 19:21)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'Doink' (14 Apr 2010 @ 19:39)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'itpro' (14 Apr 2010 @ 19:50)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'harvinsurrey' (14 Apr 2010 @ 19:55)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'Doink' (14 Apr 2010 @ 21:29)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'harvinsurrey' (15 Apr 2010 @ 11:13)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'itpro' (15 Apr 2010 @ 16:19)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'harvinsurrey' (15 Apr 2010 @ 17:05)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'itpro' (16 Apr 2010 @ 1:08)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'harvinsurrey' (16 Apr 2010 @ 9:37)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'Doink' (14 Apr 2010 @ 19:58)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'harvinsurrey' (14 Apr 2010 @ 20:09)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'Doink' (14 Apr 2010 @ 20:14)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'Doink' (14 Apr 2010 @ 21:35)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'itpro' (15 Apr 2010 @ 1:29)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'Doink' (15 Apr 2010 @ 9:12)

Re: quin direct going into administration by 'harvinsurrey' (15 Apr 2010 @ 10:28)

what a beast of a thread by 'rich84' (15 Apr 2010 @ 14:30)

Re: what a beast of a thread by 'harvinsurrey' (15 Apr 2010 @ 15:24)

Re: what a beast of a thread by 'Doink' (15 Apr 2010 @ 17:06)

Re: what a beast of a thread by 'harvinsurrey' (15 Apr 2010 @ 17:54)

Re: what a beast of a thread by 'Doink' (15 Apr 2010 @ 18:59)

Re: what a beast of a thread by 'JoeKarter' (15 Apr 2010 @ 19:26)

Re: what a beast of a thread by 'harvinsurrey' (15 Apr 2010 @ 21:03)

Re: what a beast of a thread by 'DavyBoy' (15 Apr 2010 @ 21:15)

Re: what a beast of a thread by 'harvinsurrey' (15 Apr 2010 @ 22:13)

Re: what a beast of a thread by 'harvinsurrey' (15 Apr 2010 @ 22:16)

Re: what a beast of a thread by 'itpro' (16 Apr 2010 @ 1:12)

Re: what a beast of a thread by 'DavyBoy' (16 Apr 2010 @ 8:11)

Re: what a beast of a thread by 'itpro' (16 Apr 2010 @ 12:13)

Re: what a beast of a thread by 'DavyBoy' (16 Apr 2010 @ 17:39)

Davy.... a bit a 'OxyMoron' there! by 'itpro' (16 Apr 2010 @ 18:24)

Re: what a beast of a thread by 'DavyBoy' (16 Apr 2010 @ 19:56)

Welll..... that's questionable..... by 'itpro' (17 Apr 2010 @ 1:10)

Re: what a beast of a thread by 'DavyBoy' (17 Apr 2010 @ 9:34)

Post a Reply:

You may post a direct reply to this message which will appear in this thread.
To post a new or unrelated message use This Form. Top of Page
Notice Board Index

[ UK Karting Main Index ]


News	Karts & Karting	Notice Board	Market Place	Companies Directory	Tracks Directory	Events Calendar	Race Results	Photo Gallery	Links