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Posted by 'itpro' on 19 Jul 2010 @ 11:22

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RoadRat.

You are now trying to deflect the arguments which undermine your point. Each of the examples given shown that you have not thought through the problems with your own position. Just because those points are inconvenient to you is NOT a reason to dismiss them. Answer the point they raise or ACCEPT that you position is flawed. No other option is available in a logical, reasonable discussion.

Kai

It's simple: mine has NOTHING to do with the covering being over the face, mine is about using religious symbols in public places.

I don't like religion of ANY sort but I can't get my wish of eliminating ALL religions so I am stuck with people with archaic, utterly ludicrous beliefs.

I dislike the Burkha most strongly of all the obvious religious symbols because it seems to degrade women AND MEN. It IS possoble that 6th Century minded, backward, semi-illiterate and only partially house trained men from hot countries WILL be wildly and unreasonably 'inflamed' by the sight of a woman's ear.....

... BUT......

...most of us in the 'West' can control our baser instincts at seeing a female chin and many of us find it DAMNED INSULTING to suggest that we can't. We also find it insulting to those WOMEN to be forced into some sort of clothing prison......

However, I accept that I must NOT object to religious symbols of Muslims without being similarly enraged by religious symbols of OTHER 'people who have imaginary friends in the sky'. Thus, to allow me to 'ban' the Burkha, I also need to take that logical stepo of banning ALL symbols solely designed to make the statement: 'I am more holy than YOU are'. Thus I'd ban the Burkha AND the Dog Collar for the same reasons.

Thus, you wearing a 'phantom of the opera' mask would cause me no problems at all; you would NOT be wearing it to claim, LUDICROUSLY, that some old, beard wearing wizard in the sky loves YOU more than ME or that you are showing that you are 'better' than me!

Ian

Message Thread:

France....... by 'Newshound' (14 Jul 2010 @ 10:25)

Re: France....... by 'kai' (14 Jul 2010 @ 12:12)

Re: France....... by 'davidmc' (14 Jul 2010 @ 12:30)

Re: France....... by 'kai' (14 Jul 2010 @ 13:15)

Re: France....... by 'itpro' (14 Jul 2010 @ 13:42)

He's Back! by 'Bucky' (14 Jul 2010 @ 13:54)

Re: France....... by 'Newshound' (14 Jul 2010 @ 14:03)

Re: France....... by 'itpro' (14 Jul 2010 @ 14:13)

Re: France....... by 'davidmc' (14 Jul 2010 @ 14:18)

Re: France....... by 'Newshound' (14 Jul 2010 @ 14:24)

Re: France....... by 'davidmc' (14 Jul 2010 @ 15:28)

Re: Follow the shoe by 'kai' (14 Jul 2010 @ 14:24)

Re: Follow the shoe by 'Bucky' (14 Jul 2010 @ 15:33)

Cast off the shoe and follow the gourd! by 'rjbcar27' (14 Jul 2010 @ 15:40)

The 'true' religion by 'itpro' (14 Jul 2010 @ 18:27)

Re: France....... by 'davidmc' (14 Jul 2010 @ 13:55)

Re: France....... by 'DavidG' (14 Jul 2010 @ 16:37)

Re: France....... by 'RoadRat' (14 Jul 2010 @ 18:35)

Re: France....... by 'davidmc' (14 Jul 2010 @ 18:52)

Re: France....... by 'ATD' (14 Jul 2010 @ 19:11)

Re: France....... by 'RoadRat' (14 Jul 2010 @ 19:24)

Re: France....... by 'davidmc' (14 Jul 2010 @ 22:04)

Re: France....... by 'SimonS' (14 Jul 2010 @ 23:17)

Re: France....... Simon by 'itpro' (15 Jul 2010 @ 1:07)

Re: France....... Simon by 'davidmc' (15 Jul 2010 @ 1:10)

Re: France....... Simon by 'itpro' (15 Jul 2010 @ 11:07)

Re: France....... Simon by 'davidmc' (15 Jul 2010 @ 14:28)

Re: France....... Simon by 'itpro' (15 Jul 2010 @ 14:38)

Re: France....... by 'davidmc' (15 Jul 2010 @ 1:08)

Re: France....... by 'bt3962' (15 Jul 2010 @ 5:41)

Re: France....... by 'RoadRat' (15 Jul 2010 @ 10:09)

Re: France....... by 'itpro' (15 Jul 2010 @ 11:21)

Re: France....... by 'RoadRat' (15 Jul 2010 @ 12:37)

Re: France....... by 'RoadRat' (15 Jul 2010 @ 12:40)

Re: France....... by 'itpro' (15 Jul 2010 @ 14:34)

Re: France....... by 'bt3962' (15 Jul 2010 @ 19:29)

Re: France....... by 'itpro' (15 Jul 2010 @ 20:37)

Re: France....... by 'Bucky' (15 Jul 2010 @ 21:58)

Re: France....... by 'RoadRat' (15 Jul 2010 @ 22:16)

Re: France....... by 'RevvedUp' (17 Jul 2010 @ 13:49)

Re: France....... by 'davidmc' (17 Jul 2010 @ 18:28)

Re: France....... by 'RevvedUp' (17 Jul 2010 @ 23:10)

Re: France....... by 'RevvedUp' (17 Jul 2010 @ 14:00)

Re: France....... by 'davidmc' (17 Jul 2010 @ 18:37)

Re: France....... by 'itpro' (18 Jul 2010 @ 1:06)

Re: France....... by 'davidmc' (18 Jul 2010 @ 9:43)

Re: France....... by 'itpro' (18 Jul 2010 @ 12:57)

Re: France....... by 'davidmc' (18 Jul 2010 @ 22:08)

Re: France....... by 'itpro' (19 Jul 2010 @ 0:22)

Re: France....... by 'davidmc' (19 Jul 2010 @ 0:29)

Re: France....... by 'itpro' (19 Jul 2010 @ 0:36)

Re: France....... by 'davidmc' (19 Jul 2010 @ 1:09)

Re: France....... by 'itpro' (19 Jul 2010 @ 1:28)

Re: The mask by 'kai' (19 Jul 2010 @ 7:15)

Re: The mask by 'RoadRat' (19 Jul 2010 @ 8:28)

Two answers by 'itpro' << You are here!

Re: France....... by 'davidmc' (19 Jul 2010 @ 11:37)

Re: France....... by 'RoadRat' (18 Jul 2010 @ 12:58)

Re: France....... by 'davidmc' (18 Jul 2010 @ 22:26)

Re: France....... by 'RoadRat' (19 Jul 2010 @ 8:18)

Re: France....... by 'davidmc' (19 Jul 2010 @ 11:20)

Re: France....... by 'RoadRat' (19 Jul 2010 @ 21:05)

Re: France....... by 'davidmc' (19 Jul 2010 @ 23:49)

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