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Posted by 'QuickOldTimer' on 07 Jan 2010 @ 16:48

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My problem with what you are saying, when you urge people to view the "published papers", is that there seems to be a sound argument that they are based on selected, manipulated data, and that even though the pro AGW lobby well know the claims of the sceptics, they try to discredit with waffle rather than address the specific points under dispute. I believe it reasonable to infer from this, that on those specific allegations, the sceptics must be correct in what they allege.
You accept that there may be significant amounts of "rigging" involved in the pro AGW case, and it is clear how this may performed, but what "rigging" do you think there is in the Sceptics case? Whilst it is clear the oil companies would not want a reduction in the use of their products, would there be a reduction if AGW was true - oil (not petrol) literally keeps the world moving; and what evidence is there of oil companies paying anybody to support the sceptic view?
I think that in your last paragraph you have fallen into the trap of confusing weather with climate, even if the pro AGW claims are correct, in the 50 year period you refer to the average change in temperature is not enough to make the differences you talk of, we could have sat outside of cafes back then, and indeed did when on holiday!
Some specific points that need addressing:
CO2 levels NOW, are not influencing temperature NOW, but the temperature 800 years ago IS influencing CO2 levels NOW.
The Suns activity NOW plays a major role in the earths climate NOW.
Manns "hockey stick" graph was totally misleading in its portrayal of temperatures over both the last 1000 years (denying the medieval warming period) and the last few decades due to the selected data employed.
The selected use of data from 25% of Russian meteorological stations showed significant global warming, but if all the (several hundred) stations data were used it shows NO warming over the last 100 years.

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BBC Weather Forecasting Lies! by 'RoadRat' (06 Jan 2010 @ 10:26)

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Re: BBC Weather Forecasting Lies! by 'JamesD' (06 Jan 2010 @ 11:01)

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Re: BBC Weather Forecasting Lies! by 'PaulClarke' (06 Jan 2010 @ 11:41)

Re: BBC Weather Forecasting Lies! by 'itpro' (06 Jan 2010 @ 11:59)

Re: BBC Weather Forecasting Lies! by 'QuickOldTimer' (06 Jan 2010 @ 12:30)

Re: BBC Weather Forecasting Lies! by 'Newshound' (06 Jan 2010 @ 12:39)

Re: BBC Weather Forecasting Lies! by 'Doink' (06 Jan 2010 @ 12:46)

Re: BBC Weather Forecasting Lies! by 'JamesD' (06 Jan 2010 @ 12:52)

Re: BBC Weather Forecasting Lies! by 'JamesD' (06 Jan 2010 @ 12:53)

Re: BBC Weather Forecasting Lies! by 'LateBraker' (06 Jan 2010 @ 14:37)

Re: BBC Weather Forecasting Lies! by 'JamesD' (06 Jan 2010 @ 12:40)

Re: BBC Weather Forecasting Lies! by 'RoadRat' (06 Jan 2010 @ 13:14)

Re: BBC Weather (global warming) by 'rocketron' (06 Jan 2010 @ 14:00)

Re: BBC Weather (global warming) by 'RoadRat' (06 Jan 2010 @ 14:11)

Re: BBC Weather (global warming) by 'wavedyellow' (06 Jan 2010 @ 15:18)

Re: BBC Weather (global warming) by 'RoadRat' (06 Jan 2010 @ 15:42)

Road Rat by 'itpro' (06 Jan 2010 @ 16:00)

Re: Road Rat by 'RoadRat' (06 Jan 2010 @ 16:17)

James by 'itpro' (06 Jan 2010 @ 15:28)

Re: James by 'JamesD' (06 Jan 2010 @ 15:33)

Re: James, again by 'itpro' (06 Jan 2010 @ 16:12)

Re: James, again by 'JamesD' (06 Jan 2010 @ 16:20)

Re: James, again by 'itpro' (06 Jan 2010 @ 16:50)

Re: James, again by 'JamesD' (06 Jan 2010 @ 17:36)

Re: James, again by 'itpro' (06 Jan 2010 @ 18:00)

Re: James, again by 'richpudd2003' (06 Jan 2010 @ 18:16)

Re: Roadrat - bubbly time! by 'JamesD' (06 Jan 2010 @ 18:34)

Re: Roadrat - bubbly time! errrrrr James...... by 'itpro' (07 Jan 2010 @ 12:17)

Re: Roadrat - bubbly time! errrrrr James...... by 'JamesD' (07 Jan 2010 @ 13:19)

Re: Roadrat - bubbly time! errrrrr James...... by 'itpro' (07 Jan 2010 @ 15:28)

Re: Roadrat - bubbly time! errrrrr James...... by 'JamesD' (07 Jan 2010 @ 18:53)

Re: James, again by 'RoadRat' (06 Jan 2010 @ 16:25)

Road Rat by 'itpro' (06 Jan 2010 @ 16:54)

Re: Road Rat by 'QuickOldTimer' (06 Jan 2010 @ 18:40)

QOT by 'itpro' (07 Jan 2010 @ 12:33)

Re: QOT by 'QuickOldTimer' (07 Jan 2010 @ 14:34)

Re: QOT by 'itpro' (07 Jan 2010 @ 15:44)

Re: QOT by 'QuickOldTimer' << You are here!

Climate = Weather by 'RoadRat' (07 Jan 2010 @ 17:37)

Re: Climate = Weather by 'QuickOldTimer' (07 Jan 2010 @ 18:17)

Re: Climate = Weather by 'RoadRat' (07 Jan 2010 @ 21:20)

Re: QOT by 'itpro' (08 Jan 2010 @ 16:38)

Re: QOT by 'QuickOldTimer' (08 Jan 2010 @ 17:42)

Re: Road Rat by 'PaulMRotax' (06 Jan 2010 @ 20:38)

Re: Road Rat by 'RoadRat' (06 Jan 2010 @ 22:02)

Re: Road Rat. ....Typical by 'itpro' (07 Jan 2010 @ 12:09)

Re: Road Rat by 'RoadRat' (07 Jan 2010 @ 13:26)

Re: Road Rat by 'itpro' (07 Jan 2010 @ 15:48)

Re: Road Rat by 'davidmc' (07 Jan 2010 @ 18:46)

Re: Road Rat by 'kudos' (07 Jan 2010 @ 22:56)

Re: Assuming CC exsists by 'Doink' (08 Jan 2010 @ 9:11)

Re: Assuming CC exsists by 'kudos' (08 Jan 2010 @ 21:43)

Re: Assuming CC exsists by 'kudos' (08 Jan 2010 @ 21:47)

Re: Assuming CC exsists by 'Doink' (08 Jan 2010 @ 21:53)

Re: Assuming CC exsists by 'TanglerTKM' (09 Jan 2010 @ 13:19)

Reduce CO2 by driving faster!! by 'QuickOldTimer' (09 Jan 2010 @ 14:55)

Re: Assuming CC exsists by 'Doink' (09 Jan 2010 @ 20:30)

Re: Assuming CC exsists by 'TanglerTKM' (10 Jan 2010 @ 2:36)

Re: Assuming CC exsists by 'davidmc' (10 Jan 2010 @ 11:35)

Re: Davidmc...all your points are wrong. by 'TanglerTKM' (11 Jan 2010 @ 18:47)

Re: Davidmc...all your points are wrong. by 'davidmc' (11 Jan 2010 @ 21:11)

Re: Davidmc...all your points are wrong. by 'TanglerTKM' (12 Jan 2010 @ 9:28)

Re: Davidmc...all your points are wrong. by 'davidmc' (12 Jan 2010 @ 12:35)

Re: Davidmc...all your points are wrong. by 'TanglerTKM' (12 Jan 2010 @ 13:29)

Re: Davidmc...all your points are wrong. by 'DavyBoy' (12 Jan 2010 @ 14:10)

Re: Davidmc...all your points are wrong. by 'TanglerTKM' (12 Jan 2010 @ 15:08)

Re: Davidmc...all your points are wrong. by 'RoadRat' (12 Jan 2010 @ 15:22)

Pathetic pointless solutions akin to..... by 'RoadRat' (10 Jan 2010 @ 18:54)

Re: Pathetic pointless solutions akin to..... by 'richpudd2003' (12 Jan 2010 @ 18:28)

Re: Pathetic pointless solutions akin to..... by 'kudos' (12 Jan 2010 @ 23:34)

Re: Pathetic pointless solutions akin to..... by 'RoadRat' (13 Jan 2010 @ 9:47)

Re: Pathetic pointless solutions akin to..... by 'TanglerTKM' (13 Jan 2010 @ 11:43)

Mankind needs a reduction by 'RoadRat' (13 Jan 2010 @ 13:44)

Re: Mankind needs a reduction by 'TanglerTKM' (13 Jan 2010 @ 21:02)

Learn about Met.... by 'vic' (06 Jan 2010 @ 18:47)

Re: Learn about Met.... by 'RoadRat' (06 Jan 2010 @ 21:52)

Re: Learn about Met.... by 'wavedyellow' (06 Jan 2010 @ 22:07)

same itpro 2010 by 'kudos' (06 Jan 2010 @ 23:31)

Re: same itpro 2010 by 'Tmoon' (07 Jan 2010 @ 4:19)

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