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Re: @Gem
Posted by 'davidmc' on 20 Aug 2009 @ 00:33

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I don't think numbers have fallen significantly. However more classes have diluted grids. 10 years orso ago, at a typical club meeting, you had:

Comer Cadet
Junior TKM
JICA
Senior TKM
100C
100A
Gearbox

Comer, Junior TKM and Senior TKM all had B Finals. The rest had healthy grids of 15 or more.

Every now and then you had Prokarts, but generally, the 4-stroke crowd were on the fringes (and still are).

Now:

Comer Cadet*
WTP*
Honda Cadet*
MiniMax
Junior TKM
Junior Rotax
Senior Rotax
Senior Rotax Heavy
Senior TKM
Gearbox
+Some regional variant like Blue, or TaG

Very few clubs have any classes (except perhaps Cadet Libre) that have B Finals.

Incidently, TKM, when popular, had the reputation of being the "nutters" class. A bit like the reputation of Rotax now.

TKM's only problem as a class is that it missed the boat. Once the grids have gone, it's almost impossible to get them back. I think TKM is by far the most superior class. It's cheap, it has better power delivery, it requires very little maintenance, the balance of grip and power is spot on etc etc. However, it didn't respond to a changing market and lost out for it. That market isn't one I'm interested in racing in (Rotax), but the masses are, so that's were the grids are.

Easykart is the modern TKM, but without club grids, without chassis choice and without open but limited tuning. Everything else about it screams of what Tal-Ko should have done 10 years ago. More modern chassis rules, 125cc high powered air-cooled TaG and tyres to match. They're trying to do it now, but I fear they're too late.

Dave

PS Air-cooled, piston ported, clutchless engines are still the essence of karting. It's a shame so few agree.

Message Thread:

2010TKM Rules by 'Darlo' (18 Aug 2009 @ 13:22)

Re: 2010TKM Rules by 'MattScott' (18 Aug 2009 @ 13:35)

just another money making scheme ? by 'winger93' (18 Aug 2009 @ 13:40)

Re: just another money making scheme ? by 'deangwigan' (18 Aug 2009 @ 13:48)

Re: just another money making scheme ? by 'stemorton46' (18 Aug 2009 @ 15:50)

Re: just another money making scheme ? by 'stemorton46' (18 Aug 2009 @ 16:02)

Re: just another money making scheme ? by 'deangwigan' (18 Aug 2009 @ 16:11)

Re: just another money making scheme ? by 'stemorton46' (18 Aug 2009 @ 16:16)

Re: just another money making scheme ? by 'NickyW' (18 Aug 2009 @ 16:12)

Re: just another money making scheme ? by 'Graham S' (18 Aug 2009 @ 16:17)

Re: just another money making scheme ? by 'stemorton46' (18 Aug 2009 @ 16:19)

Re: just another money making scheme ? by 'John' (18 Aug 2009 @ 16:27)

Re: just another money making scheme ? by 'deangwigan' (18 Aug 2009 @ 16:34)

eh? :s (nt) by 'blobslosak' (18 Aug 2009 @ 17:17)

Re: eh? :s (nt) by 'Darlo' (18 Aug 2009 @ 22:27)

Rotax dead at club level ? by 'DavyBoy' (19 Aug 2009 @ 11:59)

Re: Rotax dead at club level ? by 'deangwigan' (19 Aug 2009 @ 12:13)

Re: Rotax dead at club level ? by 'KMS' (19 Aug 2009 @ 12:26)

Re: Rotax dead at club level ? by 'DavyBoy' (19 Aug 2009 @ 12:33)

Re: Rotax dead at club level ? by 'deangwigan' (19 Aug 2009 @ 12:42)

Re: Rotax dead at club level ? by 'DavyBoy' (19 Aug 2009 @ 12:57)

Re: Rotax dead at club level ? by 'deangwigan' (19 Aug 2009 @ 13:10)

Re: Rotax dead at club level ? by 'John' (19 Aug 2009 @ 12:42)

Re: Rotax dead at club level ? by 'richardmcculloch69' (21 Aug 2009 @ 21:21)

TKM needs to be opened up by 'DavyBoy' (19 Aug 2009 @ 12:04)

100cc is allowed by 'MattScott' (19 Aug 2009 @ 12:10)

Re: 100cc is allowed by 'DavyBoy' (19 Aug 2009 @ 12:30)

Re: 100cc is allowed by 'deangwigan' (19 Aug 2009 @ 12:37)

Re: 100cc is allowed by 'DavyBoy' (19 Aug 2009 @ 12:53)

Re: 100cc is allowed by 'Darlo' (19 Aug 2009 @ 12:56)

Re: 100cc is allowed by 'deangwigan' (19 Aug 2009 @ 13:04)

I agree Dean by 'Iwan' (19 Aug 2009 @ 14:01)

Re: I agree Dean by 'chriskasch' (19 Aug 2009 @ 14:41)

Re: I agree Chris by 'John' (19 Aug 2009 @ 14:52)

Re: I agree Chris by 'deangwigan' (19 Aug 2009 @ 15:01)

Re: I agree Chris by 'jkhintrepid77' (19 Aug 2009 @ 15:39)

TKM class sustainability by 'NickyW' (19 Aug 2009 @ 15:20)

Re: TKM class sustainability by 'deangwigan' (19 Aug 2009 @ 15:26)

Re: TKM class sustainability by 'Underdog25' (19 Aug 2009 @ 15:41)

Do nothing ? by 'DavyBoy' (19 Aug 2009 @ 16:00)

Re: Do nothing ? by 'NickyW' (19 Aug 2009 @ 16:25)

Re: TKM class sustainability by 'NickyW' (19 Aug 2009 @ 15:47)

Re: TKM class sustainability by 'deangwigan' (19 Aug 2009 @ 15:50)

Re: I agree Dean by 'Andrewrr' (19 Aug 2009 @ 15:35)

Re: I agree Dean by 'deangwigan' (19 Aug 2009 @ 15:38)

Also Andrewrr by 'Iwan' (19 Aug 2009 @ 15:42)

Re: I agree Dean by 'stemorton46' (19 Aug 2009 @ 15:42)

Re: I agree Dean by 'deangwigan' (19 Aug 2009 @ 15:56)

Re: I agree Dean by 'stemorton46' (19 Aug 2009 @ 16:03)

Re: I agree Dean by 'John' (19 Aug 2009 @ 16:29)

A lot of nonsense! by 'devilwoman25' (19 Aug 2009 @ 17:46)

Re: A lot of nonsense! by 'John' (19 Aug 2009 @ 18:08)

Re: A lot of nonsense! by 'devilwoman25' (19 Aug 2009 @ 19:10)

Re: A lot of nonsense! by 'KevinW' (19 Aug 2009 @ 19:27)

@Gem by 'DavyBoy' (19 Aug 2009 @ 21:06)

Re: @Gem by 'devilwoman25' (19 Aug 2009 @ 21:49)

Re: @Gem by 'deangwigan' (19 Aug 2009 @ 22:03)

Re: @Gem by 'davidmc' << You are here!

Re: Ride Height? by 'dth07' (19 Aug 2009 @ 17:30)

Re: Ride Height? by 'deangwigan' (19 Aug 2009 @ 17:39)

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