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Re: Release Itpro!
Posted by 'itpro' on 08 Nov 2013 @ 16:27

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Oh.... really......

And that's why I won't USE that description.... why?

Because Oversteer/Understeer (by that definition) describes ALL karts or cars driving DEAD straight IF the front wheels have any Toe-In or Out! The front wheels are ALWAYS at a greater AND lesser (i.e., different) angle than the REAR wheels unless you have the kart/car adjusted to have ZERO Toe in/out.

How does it deal with the likes of the old Skyline GTR which runs dynamically adjustable 'slip angles' on all FOUR wheel at the same time?

Similarly any kart with badly 'adjusted' 'Akerman steering' could be understeering AND oversteering at the SAME MOMENT!!!!

How would you describe the 'understeer/oversteer' of a kart with excessive toe-in/out where one wheel is pointing OUTWARD from the trajectory and the other is pointing INWARD from the trajectory: is THAT kart understeering AND oversteering at the SAME moment because BOTH front wheels are at different angle to the trajectory/the rear wheels?

I would argue that it is to do with the angle of travel of the WHOLE vehicle, not just individual tyres or axles.

Yours MAY be the 'correct' description but it's not useful, nor ACCURATE in the real world.

Please try to GET this: I am NOT trying to score points off you. I am trying to discuss this in a sensible matter. Stop trying to goad or I will join in the insults and things will get silly. I am treating you with respect: please do the same for me.

This has ALWAYS been a bug-bear of mine: imprecise terms used as though they were GOSPEL when a second's thought shows them to be plain silly and WRONG!

I am much happier with the term that: 'oversteer' is when the WHOLE VEHICLE is 'slipping' enough to need correction with with 'opposite lock'. Look at that logically: the vehicle has gone PAST the angle of the trajectory (hence the word 'over'). With understeer, the vehicle is requiring significantly MORE steering angle applied than the angle required to be in line with the trajectory, hence the term 'under'. Obviously, that chooses to 'ignore' the fact that the act of 'steering' requires a degree of 'slip' to work at all.

From the very first, here, I have been arguing that karts go 'properly' when they are damn nigh dead CENTRAL between understeer and oversteer. That 'Goldilocks' angle may have a name, but I don't know it!

Ian

Message Thread:

Release Itpro! by 'd-i-y71' (31 Oct 2013 @ 17:12)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'itpro' (31 Oct 2013 @ 17:37)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'd-i-y71' (31 Oct 2013 @ 18:22)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'fatsam' (31 Oct 2013 @ 18:52)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'kezz99' (31 Oct 2013 @ 20:09)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'Liam' (31 Oct 2013 @ 20:35)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'raceinstructor' (31 Oct 2013 @ 20:39)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'Liam' (31 Oct 2013 @ 20:48)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'kezz99' (31 Oct 2013 @ 21:52)

d-i-y71 by 'NJB' (01 Nov 2013 @ 6:17)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'itpro' (01 Nov 2013 @ 9:37)

Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'itpro' (01 Nov 2013 @ 10:07)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'd-i-y71' (01 Nov 2013 @ 11:43)

itpro for King! by 'Mark 71' (01 Nov 2013 @ 12:47)

Re: itpro for King! by 'fatsam' (01 Nov 2013 @ 13:29)

Re: itpro for King! by 'itpro' (01 Nov 2013 @ 14:42)

Re: itpro for King! by 'fatsam' (01 Nov 2013 @ 15:04)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'itpro' (01 Nov 2013 @ 14:32)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'Hi99' (01 Nov 2013 @ 14:47)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'd-i-y71' (01 Nov 2013 @ 15:16)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'Hi99' (01 Nov 2013 @ 15:37)

Thanks Itpro ! by 'kezz99' (01 Nov 2013 @ 17:03)

Re: Thanks Itpro ! by 'fatsam' (01 Nov 2013 @ 17:37)

Re: Thanks Itpro ! by 'itpro' (05 Nov 2013 @ 10:50)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'itpro' (01 Nov 2013 @ 17:31)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'raceinstructor' (01 Nov 2013 @ 18:00)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'fatsam' (01 Nov 2013 @ 20:28)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'NikG' (01 Nov 2013 @ 22:25)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'fatsam' (01 Nov 2013 @ 22:34)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'Liam' (01 Nov 2013 @ 22:47)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'NikG' (04 Nov 2013 @ 15:05)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'itpro' (04 Nov 2013 @ 19:52)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'NikG' (04 Nov 2013 @ 21:13)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'd-i-y71' (04 Nov 2013 @ 22:26)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'itpro' (05 Nov 2013 @ 0:23)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'NikG' (05 Nov 2013 @ 15:38)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'itpro' (05 Nov 2013 @ 16:47)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'd-i-y71' (05 Nov 2013 @ 17:32)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'Liam' (05 Nov 2013 @ 20:35)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'd-i-y71' (05 Nov 2013 @ 20:52)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'Liam' (05 Nov 2013 @ 21:00)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'itpro' (05 Nov 2013 @ 21:20)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'Liam' (05 Nov 2013 @ 22:25)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'itpro' (05 Nov 2013 @ 23:16)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'itpro' (05 Nov 2013 @ 23:24)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'Liam' (06 Nov 2013 @ 21:07)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'itpro' (06 Nov 2013 @ 22:50)

Re: Please stop misquoting me.... by 'NikG' (08 Nov 2013 @ 17:03)

Re: Please stop misquoting me.... by 'itpro' (08 Nov 2013 @ 18:15)

Re: Please stop misquoting me.... by 'NikG' (08 Nov 2013 @ 19:54)

Re: Please stop misquoting me.... by 'NikG' (09 Nov 2013 @ 7:34)

Re: Please stop misquoting me.... by 'itpro' (10 Nov 2013 @ 18:33)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'Liam' (01 Nov 2013 @ 22:36)

Re: Ok.... so what do we have....? by 'davidmc' (08 Nov 2013 @ 17:51)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'd-i-y71' (05 Nov 2013 @ 21:09)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'fatsam' (05 Nov 2013 @ 21:22)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'itpro' (05 Nov 2013 @ 21:37)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'd-i-y71' (05 Nov 2013 @ 23:29)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'Liam' (05 Nov 2013 @ 23:57)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'itpro' (06 Nov 2013 @ 12:29)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'itpro' (06 Nov 2013 @ 12:31)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'd-i-y71' (06 Nov 2013 @ 14:00)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'NikG' (06 Nov 2013 @ 15:36)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'itpro' (06 Nov 2013 @ 16:28)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'NikG' (06 Nov 2013 @ 17:56)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'SkintFather' (06 Nov 2013 @ 18:01)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'itpro' (06 Nov 2013 @ 22:54)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'Hi99' (06 Nov 2013 @ 19:49)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'NikG' (06 Nov 2013 @ 20:43)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'NikG' (06 Nov 2013 @ 20:44)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'fatsam' (06 Nov 2013 @ 20:55)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'Liam' (06 Nov 2013 @ 20:56)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'itpro' (06 Nov 2013 @ 23:06)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'Hi99' (07 Nov 2013 @ 8:17)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'SimonS' (07 Nov 2013 @ 11:25)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'buzzinrussell' (07 Nov 2013 @ 12:10)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'itpro' (07 Nov 2013 @ 17:44)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'itpro' (07 Nov 2013 @ 17:35)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'Hi99' (07 Nov 2013 @ 9:30)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'itpro' (07 Nov 2013 @ 10:45)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'Hi99' (07 Nov 2013 @ 11:48)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'itpro' (07 Nov 2013 @ 17:42)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'Hi99' (07 Nov 2013 @ 19:46)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'itpro' (07 Nov 2013 @ 20:08)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'd-i-y71' (07 Nov 2013 @ 21:28)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'itpro' (08 Nov 2013 @ 1:59)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'd-i-y71' (08 Nov 2013 @ 8:46)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'itpro' (08 Nov 2013 @ 14:08)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'd-i-y71' (08 Nov 2013 @ 14:52)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'Hi99' (08 Nov 2013 @ 11:40)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'itpro' (08 Nov 2013 @ 14:29)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'Hi99' (08 Nov 2013 @ 15:02)

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Re: Release Itpro! by 'Hi99' (08 Nov 2013 @ 11:44)

Re: Release Itpro! by 'itpro' (08 Nov 2013 @ 14:32)

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