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Re: Non MSA racing
Posted by 'SimonS' on 13 Jul 2012 @ 20:04

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You should not look at it as upsides and downsides to racing MSA / non MSA. There are differences between the two and what is an upside to one person may be a downside to another.

The main difference to Non-MSA racing is that one is racing outside the MSA Judicial and standard system.

This means that scrutineers may not be present, may not adhere to the MSA standard descriptions, that the track organiser's word may be final and you don't have recourse to the club steward, MSA steward, National Court if you disagree with what has been done or said.

(From many people's point of view this is not necessarily a bad thing because some people abuse the MSA system to win events and series 'in the office'.)

The track may not be laid out to the standard of MSA tracks and the medical facility may not reach MSA levels.

You also have to satisfy each track manager that you can drive, where an MSA licence is 'proof' at any track.

On the other hand, you may find you end up racing "Senior Libre", running anything from 100 to 125 CC, on any tyres, any carbs and any fuels, which may favour certain combinations.

Mostly, the non MSA tracks know that damage to karts loses them custom so drivers get swiftly black flagged for dangerous or careless driving. Some people claim that the driving at many non-MSA events is better than the MSA driving at the same track because the MSA system lets one get away with more. (Some tracks, Forest Edge for example, are now enforcing club rules to stop damage in MSA events)

If you want to take part in a series, across several tracks, to a standardised and enforced set of rules, then you mostly have to go MSA.

If you want to go for a National title, you need to go MSA.

If you want to be able to complain to a 'proper' authority where the standard of procedure is high, then you have to go MSA.

The thing is, the MSA system costs money, so MSA racing is frequently more expensive, sometimes a lot more expensive.

Some of the costs of the MSA seem unnecessary, particularly the ARKS test and the Parents Licence. The MSA were persuaded that these were necessary.

People complain about things that happen under the MSA aegis that they accept perfectly happily under non-MSA. For example, there's a thread about someone being sent home because they forgot their licence, but if the non-MSA track owner says you aren't racing, you aren't racing, whatever your licence says.

DTH?

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Re: Fines!!!/ MSA and NKRA by 'dynamax' (14 Jul 2012 @ 10:46)

Re: Fines!!! -digital- modernise by 'Minisueg' (15 Jul 2012 @ 21:22)

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Re: Fines!!! -digital- modernise by 'mike2903' (19 Jul 2012 @ 10:19)

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